Написано Permamuted, 23.03.2015 at 18:44
also these kind of threads tend to appear once every 6 months or so, not sure why, its nothing new.
Написано Dragon, 23.03.2015 at 17:09
It does not matter WHAT the picks are. It matters WHO picks. There are no reasons to go on a 3v3 with a noob picking new stuff. I am of a firm view he cannot handle it. New tries are for pros, not for trolls. So, dont rage at someone who leaves a game for you picking new starting place. Be rage at you yourself being noob no one has faith in your skills
Написано Guest, 16.03.2015 at 14:41
I had a huge doc written up as a response to this, but it signed me out when I tried to post it. This is literally the fifth time this has happened. Amok & Ivan need to get their fucking server shit together, this is goddamn ridiculous.
Basically, what I said was: I always was against banlists. They were, and still are, retarded.
We need these three clauses for cartographers:
I. Cartographers own all resources they've made and/or provided for their maps. This includes but is not limited to: Images, Backgrounds, Fonts, Sounds, Ideas, Concepts, and Advertising/String text.
II. Cartographers have the right to publish or un-publish maps that they are the sole, original creator of, or have implicit and proven permission by the sole, original creator of said map, with no intervention into the decision by the Protobytes/AtWar staff in any way, shape, or form. They will only publsh/un-publish the map as requested at the earliest convenience.
III. Cartographers have the right to claim ownership on any and all resources featured in clause I, as long as they do not infringe or come from ProtoBytes/AtWar in any way, shape, or form. IE, you can own anything you make yourself outside of AtWar (Images, Border ideas, stories, etc), but you cannot own the map on AtWar itself.
Does this work?
Написано Goblin, 16.03.2015 at 13:20
Написано Fockmeeard, 16.03.2015 at 13:01
I called map makers workers? Where?
Also, for future reference, that was an analogy and 'metaphore' is spelt metaphor.
Volunteering may include compensation IF IT WAS STATED WHEN YOU SIGNED UP but that was not the case here, was it?
Your comparison in regards to premium is invalid. It specifically states here that Lifetime lasts forever. Changing the ToS would invalidate their word.
Nobody ever promised that atwar would never take down your maps. They promised in the pic above to always allow you to create maps but that does not mean the maps you created are prevented from being taken down.
First of all i bet you wouldn't be able to learn how to say properly or write 2 sentences in my language.
Also it specifically stated before the change that i bought custom maps package to "create my own maps" ...yet that is shit now.
Furthermore what the fuck are you talking about maps being taken down? ...do you even know the subject of this topic or are you here just to troll.
And you know that my responses about your little analogy and volunteers is a response that i didn't claim is the same with AW case ...i merely commented about your incorrect analogy and volunteer work.
If you read all what i said you could see that i wrote that what they have done isn't illegal ...but its a dick move, slap in faces of people who help them improve the game.
I also said that Terms of service everywhere is a controversial topic and many people criticize the unilateral power companies and websites give themselves regarding this.
One of the criticism is also the user generated material that many argue companies have no right to claim absolute ownership over.
Now you respond to me in croatian fock ...or in serbian if you like.
P.S. love how you said you guys HATE map makers ...really makes you look objective on the matter.
Написано Guest, 16.03.2015 at 11:38
I should state this again, guys: I haven't been on AtWar for months. What exactly did the cartographer community do that all of you keep blaming them for? "Blackmailing", etc. I'm not a part of that, nor are some of my friends. We simply don't want the resources we provided being exploited, and for the abusive and elusive ToS to be made transparent, public, and humane.
Написано Goblin, 16.03.2015 at 07:54
Написано Fockmeeard, 15.03.2015 at 19:04
"Worker" You're a worker? Were you hired by atwar? Did you sign a contract? Were you promised rewards? No, you are not a worker. You are a volunteer. You worked knowing there will be no benefit. You worked knowing that there is no compensation as no compensation was mentioned when you brought atwar features to build a map.
First you called map makers workers with your metaphore, which is an actual real life situation predicted in laws and now you change your story ...now we are volunteers? LMAO
Last year i was searching the web for volunteer work ...guess what, all does contracts had compensation in mind, good pocket cash, food, place to live.
Guess you would be fine with changes of ToS in which a new paragraph would emerge that says "all life time premiums will end on 17.03.2015. ...you can buy it again for 40$, have a nice day " you agreed with this terms of service by logging in this morning
Im not saying this is illegal ...im saying it's wrong.
Like does web sites that hold the privilage to share your private content etc. ...all according to their ToS, yet many of them got flames for it.
Написано Guest, 15.03.2015 at 19:53
You think I refer solely to the aspects of creation only provided by Protobytes? I refer to the countless hours of research, planning, resource-making, testing, marketing, and fixing that goes along with it. My time is just as valuable as your's. I'm not sure whether this is only a me thing, but I also design the images for my maps; Fonts, Textures, backgrounds, etc. That intellectual is not the IP of Amok & Ivan. If they even tried to claim it was, I would have them in an American court within a fortnight. As implied: Those are external resources and intellectual properties. I can't say for certain the creations made with AtWar itself are owned by it (Borders/Capitals, whatever), but the resources put into the maps are definitely not the property of anyone but the creator or original owner. If Amok & Ivan only mean to claim that they own what is made within AtWar, than they need a new legal assistant as their ToS is (as I stated in my OP) god awful to read, and unfathomably vague.
Now, personally? I feel as though you need a reality check. By "this isn't a game", I refer to the facets that go into making a map, not playing the damn game. You're fishing for insults to give me, yet you're only digging yourself an even deeper hole of shit. Stop replying if your only goal is to impede upon a concept which you don't even understand.
Написано Goblin, 15.03.2015 at 17:51
Написано Fockmeeard, 15.03.2015 at 17:25
That's like going to somebody's house, completely redoing their front lawn (mowing, planting, pulling weeds exc) and then knocking at the person's front door and demanding $1000 because you worked so hard to redo their front lawn even though that person never asked you to do it.
Thank you for this metaphore.
Don't know the english name for it, but its management without a warrant and the worker can remove his work ...repairs, plants ...MAPS!
Of course the owner can keep this increase of assets if he gives a proper compensation to the worker.
Do you condone slavery fock? ...nvm silly question from me. If admins never asked for this ...why do they want ownership over things they didn't ask for? ...nvm i withdraw that question too.
You know ...you guys if you are really this much against map makers best way to help the other side would be to keep your mouth shut and stop posting bullshit.
Написано Dbacks, 15.03.2015 at 17:08
Написано Covid19, 15.03.2015 at 05:04
Написано Khal.eesi, 14.03.2015 at 19:02
Написано Guest, 15.03.2015 at 13:19
You have shown me time-and-time again that your grasp of what goes into the conception of literally any project is minuscule. I know damn well that many cartographers spend days, weeks, perhaps even months working on their creations, never to see them have any limelight whatsoever do to low-quality RP and 13 year-old wet dream maps that inhabit the bulk of your average AtWar social-outcast's day. Saying this is imply "just a game" when so much effort goes into creating such things is an asinine statement, to say the very least. Perhaps you should get over yourself.
Написано Aetius, 14.03.2015 at 22:41
Написано Fockmeeard, 14.03.2015 at 21:47
Написано Aetius, 14.03.2015 at 21:03
Is this even legal? Changing terms of service without notification?
lol wtf. Legal? This is a private game on a private website. There is no public domain. You exist at the will of the admins.
Learn more about law before making idotic kneejerk reactions. Just because something is "private" does not mean they don't have to follow the law of whatever country this site is based in (Estonia I think? not sure)
AOL was sued for it, as a precedent.
Написано Aetius, 14.03.2015 at 21:03
Is this even legal? Changing terms of service without notification?
Написано Permamuted, 07.03.2015 at 15:02
Ukraine is not the problem, as ive just explained to zone, especially with new expansion innovations by lynchski with turk. Its now possible to cap hungary and austria turn 1 with all main lower balkan capitals with only 2 nts and an at.
Написано Ivan, 26.02.2015 at 14:45
Написано Croat, 26.02.2015 at 11:25
For Ivan or Amok,
Can you tell me how looks logo of rank 14 in this game?
I saw somewhere rank 15 is 3 stars, but have no idea about r14.
Написано Tundy, 23.02.2015 at 17:02
Nice concept, but your introduction to it was utterly retarded and sounds childish.
Написано BlackyM, 11.01.2015 at 12:59
Thats all taken into account, first few tournaments would not be perfect and with a lot of teams, but as time would go on, people would get more competitive and active
This is example of tournaments i led in the past http://www.freewebs.com/tenniselbowtour/tournamentinfo.htm (this page is inactive for 3.5 year now cause everything is moved on official forum)
Now, im not part of it anymore, but some other people are taking care of it now, including developer who at first few year had no part of it...but as number of people starting to play a game just because of tournaments, he decided to help and simplify it and took matters into his hands
These kind of tournaments can lead into new level of gameplay and features that game has, people only need to give it a go
Написано ArminyMouse, 03.02.2015 at 05:24
Hm,how i read this,you want to kill new clans bcs they don't have good players to win 18:12.
That wiill do nothing good bcs only good clans will exist,all clans that don't have 10good players will be deleted,then bye 3v3 cw,mbe will be rp or ancient.
This cw system is good,bcs new clans have a chance to be in top5,just stop making this idiotic solutions for problem that doesn't exist.
GG NO RE.