Germany could have beaten Russia in ww2 easily

I have done extensive researched on ww2 by reading ww2 literature and I have determined that the germans would have easily won if they would have just quote unquote "Rush B cyka blyat, no stop!"

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Soviet Union. Russia would beat Germany faster than USSR, unfortunately, Russia didn't participate in that important historic event.

Germany could achieve more victories if Hitler didn't meddle with his generals and their plans. They were academically taught after all, his place was not beside them. Moscow would fall, Stalingrad, even Leningrad, maybe even Kazan, but Yekaterinburg would be too big bite for Wehrmacht to swallow. Supply line would be stretched thousand of kilometers, winter is harsher there, soviet supplies and reinforcement closer, and soviet partisans/resistance would harm the germans in Ukraine, Belarus, Don region, Moscow region, Volga region. Germany could mobilize 10 million men, USSR 40 million, not counting women. Impossible to defeat Soviet Union, even if every German kill 3 Soviets.

Написано Skanderbeg, 21.09.2017 at 18:14

Moscow would fall, Stalingrad, even Leningrad, maybe even Kazan, but Yekaterinburg would be too big bite for Wehrmacht to swallow.

If all of Western Russia, the Baltics, Belorussia and Ukraine fell, the Wehrmacht wouldn't need to take Yekaterinburg, the Soviets would have been defeated and would surrender

Написано Skanderbeg, 21.09.2017 at 18:14

Impossible to defeat Soviet Union, even if every German kill 3 Soviets.

Good thing every German was on average killing more than 3

Blame italy

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Написано Skanderbeg, 21.09.2017 at 18:14

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Написано Viruslegion, 21.09.2017 at 22:25

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This is relevant to what the two of you have said: the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line.

The German high command was aware of the impossibility of conquering and occupying the Soviet Union, due to its sheer geographical size. Consequently, the objective of Operation Barbarossa was not the conquest of the Soviet Union. Rather, the Germans planned to advance up to a line defined by Arkhangelsk in the north and Astrakhan in the south, and the Volga River in the middle.

The idea was that if the Germans could deprive the Soviet Union of most of its population, industry, oil reserves, and infrastructure, then it wouldn't matter if the Soviet Union was defeated or not. Even undefeated, the Soviet Union would be effectively eliminated as a threat to Germany and could be destroyed by German air bombardment at German leisure.

Needless to say this plan proved unsuccessful.

Написано FatElvis, 22.09.2017 at 00:13

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Написано Viruslegion, 21.09.2017 at 22:25

More like 1:2 ratio, since 5 million Germans died compared to 11 million Soviets (not counting civilians killed directly or indirectly by the Germans)

Interesting thing is that both countries had same strategy; blitzkrieg (deep operation in soviet terminology, so war doesn't damage the land which was ruined in ww1/civil war), which is basically rush-style, awarengly leaving weak defence. So when Germany rushed Soviet Union, USSR was losing and had many casualties, then when Soviet Union counter-attacked, Germany was losing and had large casualties. The only difference is Germany didn't had large country to retreat before they regroup to counter-attack. If they did, the pattern would repeat, and so on, circle repeats.

Написано International, 22.09.2017 at 06:17

You basically said as Viruslegion, and you are both wrong. If goal of Barbarossa was to capture Soviet industrial centers and most of population, then it failed in planning phase since USSR relocated its industry back to Ural and still had Siberia and Central Asia to recruit new troops, though Soviet Asia was more populated than Siberia, and Siberia more than Ural. Not to mention that army remnants would retreat to Ural and Asia to regroup, which mean veterans would be mixed with new recruits - again forming large army.

But Soviet partisans would cripple German Army in Kiev-Kazan line, night raids, sabotages, thousands of destroyed trucks, food, fuel and ammo depots, impossible to continue war with Red Army in Ural frontline with such partisan activities behind your back. And we all know Red Army would not rest until USSR was liberated. I don't understand why some people think people would surrender if Moscow fall, history proves Russian themselves burned Moscow before Napoleon, pointing that war continues.

I think people still don't understand that Eastern cultures are different than the Western, Russians, Chinese, Turcic peoples, Japanese, these are not surrender-mentality folks. Europeans minus Germans are surrender-mentality, as proven in Italy 1943, France 1940, Yugoslavia, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria 1944. Germans proved they fight till death, regardless if their capital fall or not.

Написано Skanderbeg, 22.09.2017 at 11:20

it failed in planning phase since USSR relocated its industry back to Ural

Then the industry would have been bombed and destroyed instead of captured

Написано Skanderbeg, 22.09.2017 at 11:20

Central Asia to recruit new troops,

Central Asia was no where near populated enough to be able to continue the war, if Western Russia had been taken its also possible a German attack could have gone across the Caspian Sea and attacked there as well

Написано Skanderbeg, 22.09.2017 at 11:20

Not to mention that army remnants would retreat to Ural and Asia to regroup, which mean veterans would be mixed with new recruits - again forming large army.

you're drastically overestimating the population of central asia and eastern russia, ignoring the fact that the soviets were already recruiting from there, and ignoring the possibility of the Japanese attacking from the east

Написано Skanderbeg, 22.09.2017 at 11:20

But Soviet partisans would cripple German Army in Kiev-Kazan line, night raids, sabotages, thousands of destroyed trucks, food, fuel and ammo depots, impossible to continue war with Red Army in Ural frontline with such partisan activities behind your back.

The nazis considered the Russians subhumans, they wouldn't tolerate any partisan activities like that, they would simply kill every russian they could get their hands on, and destroy every part of russia they could, that would only result in worse conditions for russia

Написано Skanderbeg, 22.09.2017 at 11:20

And we all know Red Army would not rest until USSR was liberated.

There would be no Red Army, it would have been obliterated, like it almost was in reality

Написано Viruslegion, 22.09.2017 at 12:53

Then the industry would have been bombed and destroyed instead of captured

Can't be bombed before Soviet sky was taken. Red Air Force would recieve planes from the industry - now closer to each other (airfields-factory). So Soviets could supply their air force faster than Germans could, bringing planes from their industrial center, which is west germany. Soviets would dominate the sky over Ural, and industry would continue to supply the military, while germans would be stretched too thin, cold, in alien land. Demoralisation would skyrocket among Germans, while Soviets would have boosted morale since fighting for survival, not politics, ideology or geopolitics anymore.

Написано Viruslegion, 22.09.2017 at 12:53

Central Asia was no where near populated enough to be able to continue the war, if Western Russia had been taken its also possible a German attack could have gone across the Caspian Sea and attacked there as well

If i remember correct, Soviet Asia had 14 million population. therefore 1 million could be mobilized with easy. Most of those men were veterans of WW1 and Basmachi War, and when USSR supply them with T-34, Yak-3 and PPsh, i don't see how Germans intended to conquer those lands. They are descendants of Ghengis Khan and Tamerlan for gods sake, warrior tribes.

Написано Viruslegion, 22.09.2017 at 12:53

you're drastically overestimating the population of central asia and eastern russia, ignoring the fact that the soviets were already recruiting from there, and ignoring the possibility of the Japanese attacking from the east

As i said, 14 million people lived in Soviet Asia around 1940. 4 million Uzbeks, 3 million Turkmens, Kyrgyzs, Tajiks and 7 million Kazakhs and Russians/Ukrainians.

They are turcic/mongol/persian people, tribal, with 5-10 children. So in fact, their region was overpopulated if nothing else(habitable parts).

Siberia had like 5-10 million people, which is enough to recruit 500,000 to 1 million personel. Not only enough to defend, but also start the offensive operations (with proper military tech like IS tank and Katyusha)

Написано Viruslegion, 22.09.2017 at 12:53

The nazis considered the Russians subhumans, they wouldn't tolerate any partisan activities like that, they would simply kill every russian they could get their hands on, and destroy every part of russia they could, that would only result in worse conditions for russia

You are overestimating Germans and soldiers. They couldn't do that as that demoralize soldiers, making them crazy, while it boost morale to defenders since now they have proof why they fight (especially when you say surrender is not option since they would be tortured and killed for certain).

If German Command keep pushing for such crime against humanity, German troops would desert or suicide under such pressure. Unless they were brainwashed and indoctrinated like zombies, which i highly doubt since that was impossible with that-era technology. Maybe officers were zombified, but definitely not farmers and factory workers conscripted to fight for the Reich.

Написано Viruslegion, 22.09.2017 at 12:53

There would be no Red Army, it would have been obliterated, like it almost was in reality

Obviously there would be survivors retreating to Ural to rest and regroup with fresh recruits from Soviet Asia and Siberia. And i don't know how do you mean it almost was in reality, when it clearly wasn't, in every stage of war, Red Army had 2 times more troops than Wehrmacht.

40 million men and women served in the Red Army from 1941 to 1945 in various times and places.

Написано Ruse, 23.09.2017 at 01:57

Its turkic not turcic you fool before talking about history you need to learn how to speel nations right

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Написано FatElvis, 22.09.2017 at 00:13

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Написано Ruse, 23.09.2017 at 02:17

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