Tophat

If you're gonna reply then lock the thread, don't bother. Give me the chance to respond, then you can lock it.

Написано tophat, 05.04.2014 at 12:15

"Religion is real: no it's not" ??

Yes it is, you might wanna check the definition of real.

This is like saying the Three Little Pigs story is real. Real is something that I can see, touch, feel. Religion is fictional. It's a thing that we made up. It's in our minds. Personally, I think you are crazy, and crazy people shouldn't be moderators.

Now you can lock the thread.

Religion as a construct and idea is certainly real, the content within it being factual is not, in the sense of truth and facts. The content within it usually serves as metaphors and exaggerations of history to make a point, or tell a story. Religion is a belief process to understand, interpret, and romanticize every aspect of life, as specific to it's cultural origin.

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 14:21

Religion as a construct and idea is certainly real, the content within it being factual is not, in the sense of truth and facts. The content within it usually serves as metaphors and exaggerations of history to make a point, or tell a story. Religion is a belief process to understand, interpret, and romanticize every aspect of life, as specific to it's cultural origin.

And let's not forget, designed to scare you with eternal hell just because you're gay. But please, defend your opressors some more.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:18

If you're gonna reply then lock the thread, don't bother. Give me the chance to respond, then you can lock it.

Написано tophat, 05.04.2014 at 12:15

"Religion is real: no it's not" ??

Yes it is, you might wanna check the definition of real.

This is like saying the Three Little Pigs story is real. Real is something that I can see, touch, feel. Religion is fictional. It's a thing that we made up. It's in our minds. Personally, I think you are crazy, and crazy people shouldn't be moderators.

Now you can lock the thread.

if you are trying to say that the three little pigs are real, then how isn't God real? You can feel both of them emotionally but both not physically (You're only feeling paper, sonny). You can see God through his creations everywhere and anywhere. the three little pigs are also something made up in your head, according to your logic. (Didn't really understand whether you are for or against The Three Little Pigs being real so please forgive my incorrect comparisons.)

I think religion is made up to be honest and all the stuff you hear in sacred books of a certain religion have been modified and twisted to suit the modern era so you can't really believe anything they say. That's my stance on it.

OMG UNLEASHED STOP WITH THE RELIGION THREADS

Well then, stop fucking locking topics "just because". I wasn't gonna create this otherwise.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:23

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 14:21

Religion as a construct and idea is certainly real, the content within it being factual is not, in the sense of truth and facts. The content within it usually serves as metaphors and exaggerations of history to make a point, or tell a story. Religion is a belief process to understand, interpret, and romanticize every aspect of life, as specific to it's cultural origin.

And let's not forget, designed to scare you with eternal hell just because you're gay. But please, defend your opressors some more.

Not all religions embrace the ideals you listed, nor do Abrahamic religions represent the entire outlook of Religion in general. Please, assert your argument specifically targeted at religions that oppress people, and not generalize it all as terrible. Religion can be any beliefs, friend. In essence, we're all religious to a certain point.

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 14:41

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:23

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 14:21

Religion as a construct and idea is certainly real, the content within it being factual is not, in the sense of truth and facts. The content within it usually serves as metaphors and exaggerations of history to make a point, or tell a story. Religion is a belief process to understand, interpret, and romanticize every aspect of life, as specific to it's cultural origin.

And let's not forget, designed to scare you with eternal hell just because you're gay. But please, defend your opressors some more.

Not all religions embrace the ideals you listed, nor do Abrahamic religions represent the entire outlook of Religion in general. Please, assert your argument specifically targeted at religions that oppress people, and not generalize it all as terrible. Religion can be any beliefs, friend. In essence, we're all religious to a certain point.

I'm not your friend. If you're gonna talk bullshit, you're better off not saying anything.

Of course "not all". The "not all" argument is retarded. That's not the fucking point. I am mainly reffering to the two, biggest major religions. I already said this. There are some religions that do not deserve to be bashed. But when you draw the line, that's what religion is: fiction, bullshit, and lies. And a gay dude defending the very thing that threatened him with eternal hell, WOW I am mind fucked. Son, I am dissapoint.

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 14:21

Religion as a construct and idea is certainly real

It's imaginary, just like your rights, you cretin. They are in your mind.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:48

And let's not forget, designed to scare you with eternal hell just because you're gay. But please, defend your opressors some more.

I'm not defending those that chose to threaten and demean me, I'm defending the ideal of Religion, and the logic that encompasses and flows throughout it.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:48

I'm not your friend. If you're gonna talk bullshit, you're better off not saying anything.

That's just saddening.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:48

Of course "not all". The "not all" argument is retarded. That's not the fucking point. I am mainly reffering to the two, biggest major religions.

The "not all" argument is not retarded in the slightest, as it's merely a viewpoint saying that not all Religions happen to be the same in the way you portray them.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:48

I already said this.

No, you didn't. At least, not in this thread. Restate this next time.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:48

There are some religions that do not deserve to be bashed. But when you draw the line, that's what religion is: fiction, bullshit, and lies.

Not all of it is fiction, and as stated: The bulk of it is merely metaphors for a greater picture.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 14:53

It's imaginary, just like your rights, you cretin. They are in your mind.

My Rights are not imaginary if enough people believe in them, friend.

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You seem to have only accomplished making yourself look angry and hateful with these anti-religion threads, friend. Please open your mind to other opinions, before you begin transforming into that which you claim to stand against.

Stop typing like that. You're not that great.

PS: tldr everything

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 15:10

Stop typing like that. You're not that great.

PS: tldr everything

Stop keying how? And everything I've said can be read in less than 10 seconds.

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 15:14

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 15:10

Stop typing like that. You're not that great.

PS: tldr everything

Stop keying how? And everything I've said can be read in less than 10 seconds.

You know some people have lactose intolerance.

I have bullshit wrapped up in nice language intolerance.

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 15:16

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 15:14

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 15:10

Stop typing like that. You're not that great.

PS: tldr everything

Stop keying how? And everything I've said can be read in less than 10 seconds.

You know some people have lactose intolerance.

I have bullshit wrapped up in nice language intolerance.

Some people do have Lactose Intolerance, yes, but did you know some people love Lou Reed? Shocking, I know. I truly do believe Science has gone too far.

And how is your statement bullshit? It's merely missing a point...and proper punctuation, but that's a different story.

Gr8 b8 m8

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 15:08

My Rights are not imaginary if enough people believe in them, friend.
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You seem to have only accomplished making yourself look angry and hateful with these anti-religion threads, friend. Please open your mind to other opinions, before you begin transforming into that which you claim to stand against.

Those 100.000 + Japanese american citizens believed in their rights also. That didn't prevent them from being locked up. They did nothing. All they did was, they had squinted eyes. And now you won't respond anymore cause really there's nothing you can say anymore. You have no rights, they are imaginary and they apply when govt wants to, not when you want. You are merely cattle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

Написано Unleashed, 15.04.2014 at 18:35

Написано Guest, 15.04.2014 at 15:08

My Rights are not imaginary if enough people believe in them, friend.
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You seem to have only accomplished making yourself look angry and hateful with these anti-religion threads, friend. Please open your mind to other opinions, before you begin transforming into that which you claim to stand against.

Those 100.000 + Japanese american citizens believed in their rights also. That didn't prevent them from being locked up. They did nothing. All they did was, they had squinted eyes. And now you won't respond anymore cause really there's nothing you can say anymore. You have no rights, they are imaginary and they apply when govt wants to, not when you want. You are merely cattle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

To create it to first believe, then to act, and then to do. If enough people believe something, and act accordingly, it will become truth.

When are Gardevoir and Unleashed gonna kiss?

Religion is real, its concepts are not.

Alright, I am crazy according to you. Thank goodness that Unleashed thinks I'm crazy, I'll sleep better tonight.

lol the three little pigs? Nice analogy 5/5. Are you talking about the Bible or Religion? Because not all of the Bible's content is fictional, have you read it? Or have you only watched Conspiracy documentaries, George Carlin, Bill Maher or memes saying religion and its construct is bullshit? You say it's bullshit, lies and fiction, where are the reasons? The only one you gave was that man created it and religion, which is obviously true, we all know this.

If you do believe the bible and religion are bullshit, lies and fiction, I'd like to see your opinion on a few notions, if you care to answer.

1) What is your opinion on the evolution of thought after the book of Jobs, in accordance to the chronology of the Holy Bible. Would you be willing to accept that the notion of retribution was broken? And do you think it still manifested itself in the following books of the Bible. If you haven't read the book of Jobs, I suggest you take at look it. Your views will improve, or you might just find it interesting, I'm not sure.

2) Do you think the Deuteronomy passages actually promote rape or do you think the pre-modern conception of people affected the laws imposed in this text?

3) Lastly, do you think the Bible was created initially with the purpose to control people? Or, do you think religion was created with the purpose to control people? Or, do you think they were both created with the right intention to teach the morality of the era, and the "purpose of control" was thus incidental because of man's egotistical beliefs and wanting of power?

You are right Unleashed that rights are, in essence, imaginary; because they're abstract ideals that have been imposed. However, some "rights" are accepted by most people, like the right to live, which I'm sure everyone agrees on. Incidental rights from your country's Constitution can be modified or gradually reduced, like the right to information. Hence the right to freedom of speech, which is obviously the most absurd "right" in existence, is one that the government likes to throw around to make you believe you have some; it's an illusion. So I agree with you there, but it's not entirely the case. The right to live is one that everyone has (in most established Constitutions). Removing the right to live or saying that it is imaginary is thus paradoxical when considering that all persons desire to live. Because of intersubjective contact the right to live exists.

You need to specify the rights you're talking about Unleashed.

Gardevoir said everything else that needs to be said.

Написано tophat, 15.04.2014 at 20:48

The right to live is one that everyone has (in most established Constitutions). Removing the right to live or saying that it is imaginary is thus paradoxical when considering that all persons desire to live. Because of intersubjective contact the right to live exists.

What about the poor kid that is getting aborted as we speak? didn't he had a right to live? oh wait... there is a loophole.....

Написано UnIeashed, 15.04.2014 at 20:52

Написано tophat, 15.04.2014 at 20:48

The right to live is one that everyone has (in most established Constitutions). Removing the right to live or saying that it is imaginary is thus paradoxical when considering that all persons desire to live. Because of intersubjective contact the right to live exists.

What about the poor kid that is getting aborted as we speak? didn't he had a right to live? oh wait... there is a loophole.....

I did say intersubjective contact.

Sorry, I believe in abortion.

Написано UnIeashed, 15.04.2014 at 20:52

Написано tophat, 15.04.2014 at 20:48

The right to live is one that everyone has (in most established Constitutions). Removing the right to live or saying that it is imaginary is thus paradoxical when considering that all persons desire to live. Because of intersubjective contact the right to live exists.

What about the poor kid that is getting aborted as we speak? didn't he had a right to live? oh wait... there is a loophole.....

The barer of the child has the right to it's life, as before it's birth, it's technically a parasite. If the barer wishes to rid itself of the child, than it shall. I personally believe in Abortion, but I myself would rather seek and alternative to it once the technology is available.

What I love about Unleashed is that he does not know that Muslims pioneered the thought of evolution. He believes in it, but insults every Muslim in history and every one of them today.

Написано tophat, 15.04.2014 at 20:48

Religion is real, its concepts are not.

Alright, I am crazy according to you. Thank goodness that Unleashed thinks I'm crazy, I'll sleep better tonight.

lol the three little pigs? Nice analogy 5/5. Are you talking about the Bible or Religion? Because not all of the Bible's content is fictional, have you read it? Or have you only watched Conspiracy documentaries, George Carlin, Bill Maher or memes saying religion and its construct is bullshit? You say it's bullshit, lies and fiction, where are the reasons? The only one you gave was that man created it and religion, which is obviously true, we all know this.

If you do believe the bible and religion are bullshit, lies and fiction, I'd like to see your opinion on a few notions, if you care to answer.

1) What is your opinion on the evolution of thought after the book of Jobs, in accordance to the chronology of the Holy Bible. Would you be willing to accept that the notion of retribution was broken? And do you think it still manifested itself in the following books of the Bible. If you haven't read the book of Jobs, I suggest you take at look it. Your views will improve, or you might just find it interesting, I'm not sure.

2) Do you think the Deuteronomy passages actually promote rape or do you think the pre-modern conception of people affected the laws imposed in this text?

3) Lastly, do you think the Bible was created initially with the purpose to control people? Or, do you think religion was created with the purpose to control people? Or, do you think they were both created with the right intention to teach the morality of the era, and the "purpose of control" was thus incidental because of man's egotistical beliefs and wanting of power?

You are right Unleashed that rights are, in essence, imaginary; because they're abstract ideals that have been imposed. However, some "rights" are accepted by most people, like the right to live, which I'm sure everyone agrees on. Incidental rights from your country's Constitution can be modified or gradually reduced, like the right to information. Hence the right to freedom of speech, which is obviously the most absurd "right" in existence, is one that the government likes to throw around to make you believe you have some; it's an illusion. So I agree with you there, but it's not entirely the case. The right to live is one that everyone has (in most established Constitutions). Removing the right to live or saying that it is imaginary is thus paradoxical when considering that all persons desire to live. Because of intersubjective contact the right to live exists.

You need to specify the rights you're talking about Unleashed.

Gardevoir said everything else that needs to be said.

An eye for an eye. I will do the same thing you did to me, and I will not enable you to continue the conversation. If you want a response, unlock Tik-Tok's thread. I was having a conversation there with khal. I have goblin on ignore so you need not worry about further flames.

Написано Guest, 16.04.2014 at 03:12

What I love about Unleashed

I know. It's impossible not to love me. Love me or hate me, the truth remains the truth. The world hates the truth teller. Because the world is a liar. The world is based on falsehood, masquerading as objective virtue.

Написано Unleashed, 16.04.2014 at 03:45

Написано tophat, 15.04.2014 at 20:48

Religion is real, its concepts are not.

Alright, I am crazy according to you. Thank goodness that Unleashed thinks I'm crazy, I'll sleep better tonight.

lol the three little pigs? Nice analogy 5/5. Are you talking about the Bible or Religion? Because not all of the Bible's content is fictional, have you read it? Or have you only watched Conspiracy documentaries, George Carlin, Bill Maher or memes saying religion and its construct is bullshit? You say it's bullshit, lies and fiction, where are the reasons? The only one you gave was that man created it and religion, which is obviously true, we all know this.

If you do believe the bible and religion are bullshit, lies and fiction, I'd like to see your opinion on a few notions, if you care to answer.

1) What is your opinion on the evolution of thought after the book of Jobs, in accordance to the chronology of the Holy Bible. Would you be willing to accept that the notion of retribution was broken? And do you think it still manifested itself in the following books of the Bible. If you haven't read the book of Jobs, I suggest you take at look it. Your views will improve, or you might just find it interesting, I'm not sure.

2) Do you think the Deuteronomy passages actually promote rape or do you think the pre-modern conception of people affected the laws imposed in this text?

3) Lastly, do you think the Bible was created initially with the purpose to control people? Or, do you think religion was created with the purpose to control people? Or, do you think they were both created with the right intention to teach the morality of the era, and the "purpose of control" was thus incidental because of man's egotistical beliefs and wanting of power?

You are right Unleashed that rights are, in essence, imaginary; because they're abstract ideals that have been imposed. However, some "rights" are accepted by most people, like the right to live, which I'm sure everyone agrees on. Incidental rights from your country's Constitution can be modified or gradually reduced, like the right to information. Hence the right to freedom of speech, which is obviously the most absurd "right" in existence, is one that the government likes to throw around to make you believe you have some; it's an illusion. So I agree with you there, but it's not entirely the case. The right to live is one that everyone has (in most established Constitutions). Removing the right to live or saying that it is imaginary is thus paradoxical when considering that all persons desire to live. Because of intersubjective contact the right to live exists.

You need to specify the rights you're talking about Unleashed.

Gardevoir said everything else that needs to be said.

An eye for an eye. I will do the same thing you did to me, and I will not enable you to continue the conversation. If you want a response, unlock Tik-Tok's thread. I was having a conversation there with khal. I have goblin on ignore so you need not worry about further flames.

Написано Guest, 16.04.2014 at 03:12

What I love about Unleashed

I know. It's impossible not to love me. Love me or hate me, the truth remains the truth. The world hates the truth teller. Because the world is a liar. The world is based on falsehood, masquerading as objective virtue.

Haha, although I did continue it in this thread. I'm not unlocking the thread, and by seeing your past responses to others, I know you won't respond to my intervention. You have very little substance.

By the way, eye for an eye is a terrible and primitive ideology. And actually, it's primarily found in the Bible and in religion.

Написано Goblin, 16.04.2014 at 04:44

I liked to debate about religion with:
• my religion school teacher ...made him angry so many times that he said to my mother that i have a twisted views about faith
• my friend who actually studied religion in college ...despite that he isnt religious, like im not either
• everyone else who has manners and can discuss something by first hearing what other persons views are, present arguments, and discuss normaly

Unleashed has me on ignore:
• because i said to him to stop insulting people
• thats it...

Me and him never debated on anything, despite him saying over and over again how we did and how he "won" ...but yeah guess he is using the "repeat a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth"

Im not religious, he is not religious, but there are some differences between us:
• i have manners and intelligence
• i do have opinions on God and religion ...he only has his chant "its all lies, you are all retards" <--- that doesnt make you intelliegent, that ISNT an argument
• his opinions and views are something i had as a 10 year old ...grown up, realised things like faith, political views, taste in music can only be discussed, not forced on people and call them retards if they dont agree with you
• will not rant over and over again about something, lets face it, most people already know (even religious people i know dont blindly belive everything the bible or church tells them ...religion is a philosophy, church is a community, priests are just humans)

I agree with you. Unleashed is going through a stage many young atheists go through. Hopefully, he matures from that. There are a lot of 14-18 year olds who suddenly become enlightened with this notion of "religion is all evil" and everyone who believes in it is retarded.

Написано tophat, 16.04.2014 at 06:53

Haha, although I did continue it in this thread. I'm not unlocking the thread, and by seeing your past responses to others, I know you won't respond to my intervention. You have very little substance.

By the way, eye for an eye is a terrible and primitive ideology. And actually, it's primarily found in the Bible and in religion.

Then I'm not going to respond to that post.

You are right. Turn the other cheek is the way to go for sheep such as yourself.

Is Judaism one of the religions you believe is unworthy of being bashed?

Написано Unleashed, 16.04.2014 at 03:45

cool quote...but plato was religious, he belived in the greek gods...
and 'behind the shadows' doesn't mean that imaginary or real spiritual things are all crap.