Hi

Info for everyone especially for ec, every single cw i play in, my direct opponents capital will be wfed in a way he wont be able to make a big wall or a double wall wfing a second outer wall. In case i somehow wf inner wall or there is no inner wall, you can be sure i'm not going to attack your capital that turn.
If you dont like that, do not play cw against me.
Thats pretty much all i'm gonna say, just wanted to inform.

You mad because i serb walled you after you tried to serb wall me in a cw? What goes around comes around.

From now on you better start randomly wfing your cap every turn.

Написано Steve Aoki, 06.06.2017 at 17:16

Info for everyone especially for ec, every single cw i play in, my direct opponents capital will be wfed in a way he wont be able to make a big wall or a double wall wfing a second outer wall. In case i somehow wf inner wall or there is no inner wall, you can be sure i'm not going to attack your capital that turn.
If you dont like that, do not play cw against me.
Thats pretty much all i'm gonna say, just wanted to inform.

I don't trust you

I'm split half and half on this. On one hand i totally get what your saying, it's kind of cheap to double wall. But it definitely seems like it should still be acceptable.

This could lead to more chaos than it's worth, Steve. Lets imagine everyone is going to be wf'ing double walls; they are throwing units semi randomly into enemy countries t1, and accidentally wf'ing other cities on a consistent basis. Then shouldn't we expect players to not respect city walls either? Why even bother walling your cities if they are just going to get wf'd every time anyways?

Everyone has the right to do whatever the fuck they want in their territory turn 1.If i want to make 100000000000000 walls you have absolutely no right to wallfuck it.Learn to adapt to new situations.If you wallfuck me in a cw i will just leave t2.No playing with shit players that need to wallfuck.

Написано Nations, 07.06.2017 at 07:30

Everyone has the right to do whatever the fuck they want in their territory turn 1.If i want to make 100000000000000 walls you have absolutely no right to wallfuck it.Learn to adapt to new situations.If you wallfuck me in a cw i will just leave t2.No playing with shit players that need to wallfuck.

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Sveve idot...

Amen to that!

I remember when lao made a cry thread when I said this.

Написано Waffel, 07.06.2017 at 10:57

I remember when lao made a cry thread when I said this.

Pretty sure it was the other way around...

Написано Sid, 07.06.2017 at 00:09

I'm split half and half on this. On one hand i totally get what your saying, it's kind of cheap to double wall. But it definitely seems like it should still be acceptable.

This could lead to more chaos than it's worth, Steve. Lets imagine everyone is going to be wf'ing double walls; they are throwing units semi randomly into enemy countries t1, and accidentally wf'ing other cities on a consistent basis. Then shouldn't we expect players to not respect city walls either? Why even bother walling your cities if they are just going to get wf'd every time anyways?

Not respecting double cap wall isn't the same as, nor does it lead to not respecting other wall.

This is pretty much the hacker rhetoric to me. I don't support the idea of purposedly WFing outer walls. But if an outer wall has been WF'ed or just got bugged/broke, then there are two scenarios:

1. There's inner wall (double wall). You should be a nice guy and respect it.

2. There's no inner wall (big wall). You are free to WF or exploit it as you'd like. Just don't attack the capital.

There has been a 457 long post thread about this in the past, which justifies the previous assertions. Feel free to look around:

https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=16005

Написано clovis1122, 07.06.2017 at 11:26

Написано Waffel, 07.06.2017 at 10:57

I remember when lao made a cry thread when I said this.

Pretty sure it was the other way around...

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It wasn't narb. Months after that I also made a forum post saying that I would intentionaly WF to prevent bigwalls, which made him create crythread.

I have the right to spam as many walls as id like in my land t1, fuck off noobs who cant adapt to that.

Написано Evic, 07.06.2017 at 12:01

I have the right to spam as many walls as id like in my land t1, fuck off noobs who cant adapt to that.

Said who. Why should we adopt countless rules imposed that don't even benefit gameplay in any way, in fact the opposite. There's not really any question of adapting here.

Написано Nations, 07.06.2017 at 07:30

Everyone has the right to do whatever the fuck they want in their territory turn 1.If i want to make 100000000000000 walls you have absolutely no right to wallfuck it.Learn to adapt to new situations.If you wallfuck me in a cw i will just leave t2.No playing with shit players that need to wallfuck.

Same thing here, why is it us that can't adapt when you're the ones insisting no one wfs in the game, can you not adapt to wfs?

I dont think you guys understood this thread so i guess i'll have to explain.
This is not a cry thread about double walls.
This is not a thread where i'm looking for your opinions and if this is right or not.

This was just a way of me informing you of what should you expect in clan wars against me and especially me, not including mk.
You're right, you can make as many walls in your territory as you want. And if i'm correct i can place as many wf's as i want. All according to official atwar rules.

If you're not capable of playing a game on equal terms, without any type of advantage having against your direct opponent, especially a whole turn, then you have all the right to yell and scream and refuse to play against me.

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 12:43

If you're not capable of playing a game on equal terms, without any type of advantage having against your direct opponent, especially a whole turn, then you have all the right to yell and scream and refuse to play against me.

How is it equal if i use 7 or 8 units for that big wall and you use 1 to WF it? My expansion is nerfed so i could big wall and thats the balance you cry so much about right there.

Написано Evic, 07.06.2017 at 12:49

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 12:43

If you're not capable of playing a game on equal terms, without any type of advantage having against your direct opponent, especially a whole turn, then you have all the right to yell and scream and refuse to play against me.

How is it equal if i use 7 or 8 units for that big wall and you use 1 to WF it? My expansion is nerfed so i could big wall and thats the balance you cry so much about right there.

Yes, you're correct.
'cause 8 units for turkey that has 80 units turn 1 is "oh my god i cant take heraklion, albania and macedonia, what am i going to do without them". And that "nerf" is as same as a whole turn advantage gained for expansion. You're a god damn right.

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 12:54

Yes, you're correct.
'cause 8 units for turkey that has 80 units turn 1 is "oh my god i cant take heraklion, albania and macedonia, what am i going to do without them". And that "nerf" is as same as a whole turn advantage gained for expansion. You're a god damn right.

implying big walls are only viable as turkey

Написано Evic, 07.06.2017 at 12:55

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 12:54

Yes, you're correct.
'cause 8 units for turkey that has 80 units turn 1 is "oh my god i cant take heraklion, albania and macedonia, what am i going to do without them". And that "nerf" is as same as a whole turn advantage gained for expansion. You're a god damn right.

implying big walls are only viable as turkey

Turkey, france and spain, and gw ukraine i saw clovis playing.
Every single spain or france big wall game i saw had no turn 1 expansion or they took 1 country.
Losing first turn but still gaining 1 turn is something like a fair deal.
I shouldve been more specific and said that this is more for east match-ups. I'm sorry.

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 12:54

Yes, you're correct.
'cause 8 units for turkey that has 80 units turn 1 is "oh my god i cant take heraklion, albania and macedonia, what am i going to do without them". And that "nerf" is as same as a whole turn advantage gained for expansion. You're a god damn right.

Then double wall kiev u big narb. Lets get to the real issue here. It makes it harder for you to rush.

Enter to enemy main country first turn is fag move.If someone asking me.

If I want to make 10 walls t1 I have all rights to do that.
For that is needed country which is big enough...
With lux u cant expect, from anyone to respect more then one cap/country wall.

This all sounds like when noobs cry about rushes.
This is typical cry topic too.

"I lost cuz he rushed me, omg, he rushed, no skill, only rush".

Well noobs, good rush is one of the biggest skills here.
Everyone can put infs on autoproduce and later move them

Написано Permamuted, 07.06.2017 at 13:59

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 12:54

Yes, you're correct.
'cause 8 units for turkey that has 80 units turn 1 is "oh my god i cant take heraklion, albania and macedonia, what am i going to do without them". And that "nerf" is as same as a whole turn advantage gained for expansion. You're a god damn right.

Then double wall kiev u big narb. Lets get to the real issue here. It makes it harder for you to rush.

You're now just looking for excuses even tho you understand that wasting 8 or more units as ukraine is too big of a hit for expansion and extra turn means basically nothing. Unless i wanna go gw which is probably the only viable double wall ukraine out there atm.
Ask my clan mates for a past couple of cws. In every single one i said "i dont want to rush". Honestly rush became boring for me, not that i wont rush if i have to or feel like it tho.
It doesnt make it harder, it makes it impossible. And my whole point is exactly that. Removing pressure from enemy capital for 1 turn that early in the game gives too big of an advantage. Past year i didnt give a fuck 'cause i was inactive and got bored of this game. Now cws became interesting for me once again, and i'm definitely not going to play with turn disadvantage every single game.

Написано Mauzer Panteri, 07.06.2017 at 14:02

If someone asking me.

Nobody asked you

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 14:16

You're now just looking for excuses even tho you understand that wasting 8 or more units as ukraine is too big of a hit for expansion and extra turn means basically nothing.

Let me stop you there. Is it me thats looking for excuses or is it you? Cause what you just said about ukr is a load of shit.

Написано Permamuted, 07.06.2017 at 14:24

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 14:16

You're now just looking for excuses even tho you understand that wasting 8 or more units as ukraine is too big of a hit for expansion and extra turn means basically nothing.

Let me stop you there. Is it me thats looking for excuses or is it you? Cause what you just said about ukr is a load of shit.

For someone that played ukraine 2k times and tried double wall for the purposes of trying to counter.. double wall, its not a load of shit.

You seriously wanna say that it gives the same advantage to turkey as it gives to the ukraine?

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 14:27

Написано Permamuted, 07.06.2017 at 14:24

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 14:16

You're now just looking for excuses even tho you understand that wasting 8 or more units as ukraine is too big of a hit for expansion and extra turn means basically nothing.

Let me stop you there. Is it me thats looking for excuses or is it you? Cause what you just said about ukr is a load of shit.

For someone that played ukraine 2k times and tried double wall for the purposes of trying to counter.. double wall, its not a load of shit.

You seriously wanna say that it gives the same advantage to turkey as it gives to the ukraine?

We know turk has more starting units and can easily afford to double wall. But thats one of the advantages of turk. Ukraine on the other hand can expand into most of its standard t1 landgrabs without fear of being contested and can play literally any strat. I wouldnt say a double wall gives ukraine the same advantage because the country doesnt start with 79 units but it is certainly helpful.

You know why i don't double wall every game with ukraine? It is because ukraines generally expand back into russia scand and then pull all their units forward to the vicinity of kiev to pressure turk anyway. I used to do it with sm but my sm style is more agressive these days.

You've been playing vs double walls for years, i dunno why youre being so contrary about it now.

Написано Permamuted, 07.06.2017 at 14:24

Actually i'm done with this conversation and explaining myself 'cause i already see where this is going.
First you gonna hump me with your opinion that is different that mine, one of the reasons for that is because you're the one of players that use double wall/big wall. Which honestly i dont understand why because you're one of the best players here, i see no reason to use shit to gain advantage that has "no counter" but suit yourself.
Then even clovis will join on your side to hit me with some amazing amazing 3 page amazing but still useless facts just to make my life.. interesting.
Lets stop it here right away because i'm not going to change my decision and i dont care about your opinions.

Edit: about playing it for years, read post a little bit above. If i'm inactive, i dont care who or what are they going to do. If i play 1 cw a week. If i want to play 2 cws a day or something like that i dont want to start from behind every single game.

Написано Steve Aoki, 07.06.2017 at 14:41

Actually i'm done with this conversation and explaining myself 'cause i already see where this is going.
First you gonna hump me with your opinion that is different that mine, one of the reasons for that is because you're the one of players that use double wall/big wall. Which honestly i dont understand why because you're one of the best players here, i see no reason to use shit to gain advantage that has "no counter" but suit yourself.
Then even clovis will join on your side to hit me with some amazing amazing 3 page amazing but still useless facts just to make my life.. interesting.
Lets stop it here right away because i'm not going to change my decision and i dont care about your opinions.

Edit: about playing it for years, read post a little bit above. If i'm inactive, i dont care who or what are they going to do. If i play 1 cw a week. If i want to play 2 cws a day or something like that i dont want to start from behind every single game.

Goblin used to say the exact same thing but he too lacked any convincing argument.

I didn't expect to change your opinion on it nor am i going to complain if someone does it to me. I am long past all that. Mecoy learned the hard way. If you wf me or any other shady shit i will respond in kind along with rewalls and serb walls. If you don't like it don't wf me.