Competitive scene = Campetitive masquerade

This is frustrating. And I am writing this being frustrated and annoyed. Nothing personal.
I will be hell honest with all of you, you like it or not, but those are facts. Those are your own behaviour, not mine. If you cannot deal with it being mentioned, you have a problem with yourself.
Things I will mention are bloody annoying to all of us who just want to compete and enjoy, but system is made like that, so certain group of people and individuals is able to prevent enjoyment of all others. We literally DONT have who to play with.

I won't directly name anyone, even I could, it's not pillory, but actually their own behaviour, so being called out by someone is their own responsibility. Anyways, names are irrelevant for my point of present situation, so I'll avoid mentioning them.

Nowdays you have clans who in season, which lasts for 3 months, stop playing everyone almost 1 month before season end, except if someoene passes them on first place, which is impossible with current amount of clans competing, being semi-active or inactive, camping and having their own this or that issues. I've been spamming those (and some other as well), for days. I got literally zero responds. They just mark themselves afk, but when I make some cw in cw room, they immediately show there after seeing that some cw is open. Congrats, you'll get a first trophy, well played. Keep watching me struggling around 1000 Elo.

Nowadays you have players who have some forgotten issues with other players (including one from my clan), who want to cw, but after some pointless discussion in clanwar game lobby, they reminded each other about what they, no more and no less, but fucking forgotten. After they reminded each other that they stopped playing each other, there comes insults, dogs, apes, other crap and guess what? CW fails because they reminded themselves of something what happened 3 months ago, so all other guys just lost 30 minutes of their lives on waiting for a CW which got canceled cuz 2 thugs decided it's more 'productive' not to cw due to personal issues, instead of being mature and dealing with each other on the battleground. That's not called pride, but bullshit.

Nowadays you have clans who want to pick who from other clan will play against them or they won't cw. Like hey, if I am willing to cw anyone, bring mid ranks into cw scene as well, that doesn't mean I am total retard and kamikaza who will throw his least experienced players against someone's base players just to have possibility to compete. Tomorrow, same those who wanted to choose opponent's coalition players for a cw will dodge you when they don't have their peak players online.

(I have proofs for each of these things I mentioned, but I am not willing to post them because I didn't edit it or hide names, but they exist. And all mentioned above are acutally well known stuff, so screenshots are actually not even needed)

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MAJOR PROBLEM IS

Same those guys will tomorrow, in next season or whenever, give themselves credits to shit on other clans, place their ideas, suggestions or critics towards CW scene or it's activity, when it doesn't work for them.
I say it with confidence, because it's not first time such things happen. What a bloody paradox and hypocrisy.
Fucking masquerade where everyone are hiding behind their shitty masks and acting dumb.

On the other side, no matter how bad this season is, you have people who are willing to cw anytime, who are trying to bring new guys into competitive scene and keep activity and actual COMPETITIVENESS of COMPETITIVE scene.

I won't give myself credits for anything, I dont give a shit about that crap, but my bow down deservedly goes to Captain Steele and his UNS Courageous for having a will to hop into cw scene with middle ranks, being ready to lose majority of cws, but being in profit of experience for future CWs.
And one more bow to Sun who is trying alone what he can and WD and his clan for not avoiding anyone, for being friendly and actually being the only one who you can ask for cw anytime and be sure, if they can, that they will cw, no matter on which place they are, no matter what part of season it is, not matter what amount of elo they have or who they have on their playing roaster.

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IF NOTHING CHANGES UNTIL THIS SEASON END

I will honestly make separated competition next season for clans who actually play and have enthusiasm and wish to compete and be active on scene and all rest of campers, dodgers, those who put personal issues in front of everyone's enjoyment and pathetic trophy 'fighters' or better say place sitters and Elo holders can keep competing with each other in another one. In one competition people will compete who will be more active, in another people will compete who will be able to avoid CW for a longer time. Good for both.

Only that way some of them might realize how pathetic and unproductive such behaviour in our scene is. My brain wants to blow out of my skull seeking for CW for hours and days, while couple of clans can actually cw and have nice roaster on, but they just don't want and care about something else. Then they will seek for a CW when they see no one else is on, just so it looks that they actually seeked for a CW. Pathetic again.

Put down your boring masks, either compete, either I swear to God I am going to make another competition only for actual competing clans, independently of anything. And don't forget, don't give yourself credits tomorrow to say a word about activity in CW scene. You were once the reason of it's drop.

K

My thoughts on this have always been the same, The competitive community cant really be blamed for behaving in a way that will give them the best chance of winning, its surely understandable in order to even have a fundamental competitive principle. The problem I believe can be resolved by scrapping the clan war system altogether and replacing this with official scenario/map based leagues/tournaments, based on ranks and skill level (elo and league positions).

It's really sad when 2 of the clans refuses to cw us no matter what because they have issues with Froyer. Even when Froyer is not even in the cw game. It makes us want to stop cwing because of how frustrating it is to get a game and we all just go inactive.

Noobs is camping!

Noobs plays 10 cws in 7 days. https://prnt.sc/zepdq0

Another noobs is camping thread appears

I give up. We have played 111 cws this season and 124 last. It gets kinda of old at some point. That's what I am experiencing now and others in our clan. I've heard other players say this too that have cwed a lot. Now I understand.

But me and the other noobs are the problem with coalition wars? I just don't get what everyone is complaining about.

I will respond to the part i was referred at.

I won't cw a guy who will ie a message of mine to later fake report it. I never got a sorry or saw any attempt to apologise. You will have to respect it as i will have to respect that you might not want to cw vs a hacker (same). I cw for my fun and not to get my mood destroyed from dogs like your clanmate, as you might do for Same. Simple as that.

As for rest this is what happens when shitheads get to winning places nothing we can do but punish them. We shouldn't change the system because of the 2 retards to damage the rest 20, but we should punish those retards. They also are staff too what a disgrace...

Ehh I barely play now it's just cws/tournaments and sometimes duels when I'm bored.
The problem is too many retards are dodging and no tournaments to play

But if someone has any plans for team tournaments I'd be glad to help him with pc prizes or even share my ideas.

Написано JUGERS2, 13.02.2021 at 17:07

I will respond to the part i was referred at.

I won't cw a guy who will ie a message of mine to later fake report it. I never got a sorry or saw any attempt to apologise. You will have to respect it as i will have to respect that you might not want to cw vs a hacker (same). I cw for my fun and not to get my mood destroyed from dogs like your clanmate, as you might do for Same. Simple as that.

As for rest this is what happens when shitheads get to winning places nothing we can do but punish them. We shouldn't change the system because of the 2 retards to damage the rest 20, but we should punish those retards. They also are staff too what a disgrace...

I mean for me, you're one of those retards lol, you are legit dodging hellenism because you got bigwalled t2, I've never seen someone that much retarded.

Whatever this all means Froyer has my full support

Написано Froyer, 13.02.2021 at 17:42

Написано JUGERS2, 13.02.2021 at 17:07

I will respond to the part i was referred at.

I won't cw a guy who will ie a message of mine to later fake report it. I never got a sorry or saw any attempt to apologise. You will have to respect it as i will have to respect that you might not want to cw vs a hacker (same). I cw for my fun and not to get my mood destroyed from dogs like your clanmate, as you might do for Same. Simple as that.

As for rest this is what happens when shitheads get to winning places nothing we can do but punish them. We shouldn't change the system because of the 2 retards to damage the rest 20, but we should punish those retards. They also are staff too what a disgrace...

I mean for me, you're one of those retards lol, you are legit dodging hellenism because you got bigwalled t2, I've never seen someone that much retarded.

There is a forum somewhere with you admitting of camping this summer season so don't talk to me about camping/dodging.

Написано JUGERS2, 13.02.2021 at 17:48

Написано Froyer, 13.02.2021 at 17:42

Написано JUGERS2, 13.02.2021 at 17:07

I mean for me, you're one of those retards lol, you are legit dodging hellenism because you got bigwalled t2, I've never seen someone that much retarded.

There is a forum somewhere with you admitting of camping this summer season so don't talk to me about camping/dodging.

It's by doing mistakes that you learn my dude.

Написано Tribune Aquila, 13.02.2021 at 17:45

Whatever this all means Froyer has my full support

Thanks brother

I mean from a clan that one of it's main player wall abused his own clanmate in a tournament, just to win the game, dodging seems ok for him.

So much cri

Написано JUGERS2, 13.02.2021 at 17:07

I will respond to the part i was referred at.

I won't cw a guy who will ie a message of mine to later fake report it. I never got a sorry or saw any attempt to apologise. You will have to respect it as i will have to respect that you might not want to cw vs a hacker (same). I cw for my fun and not to get my mood destroyed from dogs like your clanmate, as you might do for Same. Simple as that.

As for rest this is what happens when shitheads get to winning places nothing we can do but punish them. We shouldn't change the system because of the 2 retards to damage the rest 20, but we should punish those retards. They also are staff too what a disgrace...

Do you remember why i did that? No? I will tell you..
Me and Laki(armagedon) start cw with you..
I dced t1 and havent done my turn..
U refused tie t1 and got free win(10elo)
But i still want to play vs you.. I am not like you..
And about apologise, u wont get it, i dont apologize to goatfuckers.
There will come day when i will got my 10 elo..
Also. u are the one who swear to everyone saying f'' mom and other shits, did you apologize to all of us when u said that? Hmm, i dont remember..
U and rest of your goatfucker team are cancer of this game..
Enjoy now.

Back to my solution create a limited brackets of elo in seprate maps where clan has to play different maps not only the world map to win season.
any specific number of elo for world map, specific elo for scen map, specific number of elo of other settings maybe it will create more fun and clans playing more maps, recruiting more people.
when I say scen map it's not abviously map consisting of 11-14 players there are plenty of 2v2 maps.
forcing clans to come out of world map will surely increase number of cw and lower the dodge or second option elo decay but elo decay wont do anything counter to dodging.

You should start losing elo if you don't play for 3 days...

Написано Mobster, 14.02.2021 at 05:20

You should start losing elo if you don't play for 3 days...

Good ideas make elo like a timer everdays you dont play you lose elo we can make that proportional to the clan elo, like if your in top you lose 10 elo and 1 elo if your last until you reach 1000 seasonnal elo.
This can be a big help again dodging or camping.

Написано GustDNZ, 14.02.2021 at 06:08

Написано Mobster, 14.02.2021 at 05:20

You should start losing elo if you don't play for 3 days...

Good ideas make elo like a timer everdays you dont play you lose elo we can make that proportional to the clan elo, like if your in top you lose 10 elo and 1 elo if your last until you reach 1000 seasonnal elo.
This can be a big help again dodging or camping.

Yeah something like this would be good:

3 days of no cw: 10 elo loss
1 week of no cw: 30 elo loss
2 weeks of no cw: 100 elo loss

Написано Tungston., 13.02.2021 at 17:07

Noobs is camping!

Noobs plays 10 cws in 7 days. https://prnt.sc/zepdq0

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I give up. We have played 111 cws this season and 124 last. It gets kinda of old at some point. That's what I am experiencing now and others in our clan. I've heard other players say this too that have cwed a lot. Now I understand.

But me and the other noobs are the problem with coalition wars? I just don't get what everyone is complaining about.

Wouldn't pay much attention if I was you, it's natural that people complain, call you camper/bugger/whatever when you're #1. Happens in pretty much all the seasons with all the winning clans.

If you don't want complaints, there's T3mpest's excellent guide on how not to be called a dodger: https://atwar-game.com//forum/topic.php?topic_id=44948

I think the system can be improved as pointed by Sun Tsu. Though, people will complain regardless of the system. Don't let that ruin your gaming experience .

Delete duel trophies too!

Escanor keeps winning them, he is too strong

100 pc reward for every player which surrvive cw + betting and rewards.

Without that, be happy with current situation (which trust me or not, cn become even worse, very soon).

Написано Mauzer Panteri, 14.02.2021 at 15:53

100 pc reward for every player which surrvive cw + betting and rewards.

Without that, be happy with current situation (which trust me or not, cn become even worse, very soon).

This. If not, at least 10-20 PC or something

Написано Mobster, 14.02.2021 at 16:03

Nothing under 100.

Написано Mobster, 14.02.2021 at 06:39

3 days of no cw: 10 elo loss
1 week of no cw: 30 elo loss
2 weeks of no cw: 100 elo loss

For that there need to be something to motivate ppls to play that many cws.

Same old story.

Too many assholes, retards or actual low IQ on this game is the reason

If people could grow up and care less about a damn trophy on a browser game which struggle to survive, wouldn't be any problem.

A bad spirit took over due to years of toxic behavior, need to drain the swamp.

However the system has its flaws, which increase this tendancy to retardness, another system based on points per cw would be more interesting (like your clan grow in experience by number of cw played) with a multiplicator based on your win ratio.

For example :

10 cw played = 10 points
9 wins 1 loss = (10*0.9)+10 = 19
2 wins 8 losses = (10*0.2)+10 = 12

Maybe add a league system with qualifications etc would be interesting.

That would imply that you can only go into one clan per season, enough with clan hopping.

Написано Kaska, 15.02.2021 at 04:11

A bad spirit took over due to years of toxic behavior, need to drain the swamp.

I know there are people who gasp in horror every time I ban someone for being an asshole.... "oh no, the game is gonna die without (name of asshole)... we can't afford to lose players even if they're bad..." blah blah blah. But really I think its necessary to drain the swamp of atWar. (I know you're talking about CWs in particular... and I'm not saying we should ban people just for camping or dodging CWs... I'm only talking in general...)

Написано Mauzer Panteri, 14.02.2021 at 15:53

100 pc reward for every player which surrvive cw + betting and rewards.

Without that, be happy with current situation (which trust me or not, cn become even worse, very soon).

Betting is coming.... its slow because I've been busy with other things, but it will arrive...

Написано Kaska, 15.02.2021 at 04:11

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well said lil man

Hackers and rude players could be avoided if we didn't let them into our clans, if you have a problem with a player from another clan you should be able to pm the leader of the opposing clan and let them know. Just making a code of conduct for your clan and enforcing it would fix this problem.

Every year the same shit: campers, too much inactivity, dodgers, and croat flaming each time a clan for camping (thankfully he didnt name the clan this year). From what i have seen from my experience in these last 3 seasons that i was an active competitive player is that theres always a boom in the start of the season when it comes to games (usually because people dont care for elo and try to become better and are hyped for the new season)and less games at the end of the season (duh). In summer orca had like god knows how many cws per day at the start, but after 1-2 months they stopped playing. In autumn, the same thing for Enigma and Ship, a lot of cws at the beggining but after 1-2 months the cws slowed or stopped. Now in the winter the same, noobs and narcos and hellenism had crraazzy amount of cws at the beggining and now they dropped. So what do i want to say with what i said above is that you just cant expect people to be as active as they were in the start and being consistantly active at the end of the season, at this point its not even about campers because the 1 camping cln cant affect the entire damn activity in such a degree theres other things that affect the activily like personal life, change of preference in the maps maybe, who knows, theres many reasons.
You yourself with Orca went in summer inactive the last month because you guys had other stuff in your real lifes to do or because you were burnt out from how many games you played at the start of the season, narcos this season after many games at the start, they stopped because their clan mate got banned and joseph started scenarios again after that, for Hellenism Bella got married so he has other things to do now, in autumn in ship i remember we stopped cwing after what happened with Same, i could bring more examples to prove that its not just camping the reason why you dont find cws, some people just want to come and chill and chat when you see them on but /afk. Is there camping? There is, . Are people dodging a clan/player because of personal reasons? Yes. But is that the only reasons why people dont cw you or anyone in general? I feel like the answer is no, even tho from what you have posted you are giving me those kind of vibes, that the community is consisted mostly of dickheads who just want to camp and dodge clans just because of personal differencies and ego issues who want to be 1st place.

Oh and btw something else i wanted to add is that the War tourney that you had done some months ago was a very good way to compete without dodging/camping, i feel like it should become something official and be played every time every season, like how football has normal leagues and then theres the cup, it should become something like that (in my humble opinion of course).