Ebola in USA

Написано Goblin, 17.10.2014 at 07:09

Написано Dereny, 17.10.2014 at 05:23

What do you use to determine that the earth is only 5700 years old?

The holy bible of course

fun fact: no where in the bible is written how old the earth is or you can determine that ...but its a constant argumment for creationists.

you kinda contradicted yourself, you say the bible tells you how old the earth is, but then you say it doesnt say how long it really was? confusing right?

really what it says is how the earth was created in 7 days then historical documentation begins, but there is no way to determine what a day was considered without the Sun, you can believe or not but the Bible didnt record what year it was created because the idea of time on a earthic revolution wasnt created yet

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 10:50

Написано Goblin, 17.10.2014 at 07:09

Написано Dereny, 17.10.2014 at 05:23

What do you use to determine that the earth is only 5700 years old?

The holy bible of course

fun fact: no where in the bible is written how old the earth is or you can determine that ...but its a constant argumment for creationists.

you kinda contradicted yourself, you say the bible tells you how old the earth is, but then you say it doesnt say how long it really was? confusing right?

really what it says is how the earth was created in 7 days then historical documentation begins, but there is no way to determine what a day was considered without the Sun, you can believe or not but the Bible didnt record what year it was created because the idea of time on a earthic revolution wasnt created yet

I really need to start posting with pictures and explaining everything in details is it

First sentence i made was mocking from where creationists take their evidence of earths age.

with second sentence i said that bible doesnt say how old earth is ...and creationists calculations are ridicilous.

thirdy not even the pope and church believe in 5700 year old earth.

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 13:01

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 10:50

really what it says is how the earth was created in 7 days then historical documentation begins, but there is no way to determine what a day was considered without the Sun, you can believe or not but the Bible didnt record what year it was created because the idea of time on a earthic revolution wasnt created yet

Bible is simple, it is easy to understand. But you still need basic knowledge. Thats like writing an essay while illiterate, essay is easy to write, but you need to know all 30 letters. Same with the bible.

It clearly says in the bible 'new emperor, never seen like before' will change time and will say he is the ruler of the earth, seas and sky. The only person on this planet with titles of rulers of earh waters and sky is pope, check latin titles on his hat. And pope did changed calendar(time) 1000 years ago, today we calculate time from 1 january to 31 december, while in the past we calculated from first harvest(april) to next one. Days could have 29 or 30 days, depends on the moon, because day last until sun is down and moon come up, another day starts with the sunrise not midnight like today. When you see new moon, that means new month started, sometimes you cant see new moon, so you wait until you see it. here's the formula:

d = 5,597661 + 29,5305888610 x N + (102,026 x 10/12) x N/2

God worked 6 days to create all he needed, he didnt worked 7th day, thats another parameter you need to discover what year was the first and how long ago.

Its easy to calculate, i gave you all you need, its up to you if you want to know.

So is this 5700 number coming from your belief with the bible?

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 14:52

Написано Dereny, 17.10.2014 at 13:56

So is this 5700 number coming from your belief with the bible?

No, i dont believe. Scientist tested earth minerals and resources and all results show age 5774 maximum, therefore i know, science dont lie as you can calculate. Calculation for earth age are since 70's, 40 years we calculate and results are the same.

You should probably never get on the internet ever again. Your stupidity astounds me.

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 15:05

Написано Skittzophrenic, 17.10.2014 at 14:55

You should probably never get on the internet ever again. Your stupidity astounds me.

Hehe, you wish that was true. But only in your dreams boy, only in your dreams.

You gotta be a troll, there is no way u are that stupid

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 13:01

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 10:50

really what it says is how the earth was created in 7 days then historical documentation begins, but there is no way to determine what a day was considered without the Sun, you can believe or not but the Bible didnt record what year it was created because the idea of time on a earthic revolution wasnt created yet

Bible is simple, it is easy to understand. But you still need basic knowledge. Thats like writing an essay while illiterate, essay is easy to write, but you need to know all 30 letters. Same with the bible.

It clearly says in the bible 'new emperor, never seen like before' will change time and will say he is the ruler of the earth, seas and sky. The only person on this planet with titles of rulers of earh waters and sky is pope, check latin titles on his hat. And pope did changed calendar(time) 1000 years ago, today we calculate time from 1 january to 31 december, while in the past we calculated from first harvest(april) to next one. Days could have 29 or 30 days, depends on the moon, because day last until sun is down and moon come up, another day starts with the sunrise not midnight like today. When you see new moon, that means new month started, sometimes you cant see new moon, so you wait until you see it. here's the formula:

d = 5,597661 + 29,5305888610 x N + (102,026 x 10/12) x N/2

God worked 6 days to create all he needed, he didnt worked 7th day, thats another parameter you need to discover what year was the first and how long ago.

Its easy to calculate, i gave you all you need, its up to you if you want to know.

except that there could have been no moon so no cycle, your argument has no basis

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 15:59

Написано Tundy, 17.10.2014 at 15:53

You gotta be a troll, there is no way u are that stupid

Why you dont answer on my question, rather than making conclusion what i am?

Why would we answer a question that comes from a stupid person like you?

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 16:06

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 15:58

except that there could have been no moon so no cycle, your argument has no basis

True, range is between 1 or 2 days, thats why biblical months had 29 or 30 days, after that new moon had to be visible, mathematics tells that. And it did.

There were 12 months, but 13th was added in case of 29 days, so they fullfill whole year of 355/356 days.

Milutin Milankovic made perfect calendar, but world didnt want to accept it because they were too afraid of the change. That is the only perfect and accurate calendar, the rest arent.

i dont think you are understanding anything, we are talking about the beginning of the bible, they measured it in a day b4 their was a moon or a sun to compare a day cycle too, so sitting here bitching about calculations means nothing when people had nothing to base a calculation off of, 6 days is relative because a day to God during the creation could be 10000 years or could be 2 seconds, you dont know so stop trying to tell everyone how long the earth has been around, pathetic

Ebola sucks.

Написано Quantum027, 15.10.2014 at 11:58

Hi I live 40 minutes from dallas, help me

you are living in south USA and suppurting communism?

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 16:33

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 16:12

i dont think you are understanding anything, we are talking about the beginning of the bible, they measured it in a day b4 their was a moon or a sun to compare a day cycle too, so sitting here bitching about calculations means nothing when people had nothing to base a calculation off of, 6 days is relative because a day to God during the creation could be 10000 years or could be 2 seconds, you dont know so stop trying to tell everyone how long the earth has been around, pathetic

It clearly says there was a light in the first sentence in the bible, sentence end with the words 'and there was evening, and there was morning, first day'. Whats confusing you? Bible is simple. Day lasted until light withdrew after after and dark occured again until morning - second day. Its modern people who measure days in hours, that doesnt mean it is accurate lol... think... before people used light to determinate day, and days are shorter in the winter, so are you saying then clock is a lie since days are different in winter and summer?

Think... oh human with the brain, think!

>Believing a book
top lel

Think human think, you have a brain!

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 16:29

Написано Skittzophrenic, 17.10.2014 at 16:09

Why would we answer a question that comes from a stupid person like you?

Au contrair my dear fat american friend, better question would be why i am talking to people who believe in evolution which says life comes from dead things and man comes from monkeys.

Question is: because i find it amusing reading your comments <3

Humans didnt evolve from monkeys ...if they did there would be no monkeys.

Humans and apes how ever evolved from a common ancestor. Learn what evolution is before you start claiming shit.

Explain vestigial organs in human beings , organs that lost their purpose ...evolution.

Написано Rock Lee, 17.10.2014 at 16:22

Написано Quantum027, 15.10.2014 at 11:58

Hi I live 40 minutes from dallas, help me

you are living in south USA and suppurting communism?

shhh

Написано Skanderbeg, 17.10.2014 at 16:29

Написано Skittzophrenic, 17.10.2014 at 16:09

Why would we answer a question that comes from a stupid person like you?

Au contrair my dear fat american friend, better question would be why i am talking to people who believe in evolution which says life comes from dead things and man comes from monkeys.

Question is: because i find it amusing reading your comments <3

Before you begin saying evolution doesn't exists maybe you should first find out what it is because obviously you have no idea what it is. First off, man does NOT come from monkeys. Where you got this idea I have no idea. Man and monkeys come from a common ancestor. A species that lived before both humans and monkeys that evolved into species that eventually involved into humans and monkeys. Hence, our genetic material is 98.9% the same. This common ancestor is extinct because it evolved into new species. Life in a way does come from dead things. You are related to your great grandparents parents and they are dead. Are you saying that this statement is false? Animals are related to common ancestors who are dead because they were around millions of years ago. You also continue to claim that material found on the earth does not date past 5700 years. Yet we have dinosaur fossils unless those were made in a laboratory.
Radioactive dating has also proven how old the earth is about. What radioactive dating is, is taking a radioactive daughter isotope, its parent isotope, and its half life to trace it backwards to it origins. Through these studies, the earth has been determined to be about 4.5 billion years old. Saying 5700 years is just ignorance. All the evidence I have heard from you is from the bible which frankly has no right to be in a scientific discussion.

Stop with this useless shit tito, this thread was about the serious rise of ebola in usa.

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 18:08

Stop with this useless shit tito, this thread was about the serious rise of ebola in usa.

I had to block your signature because it's too long! Way over 100 px!

Написано Kaliraa, 17.10.2014 at 19:24

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 18:08

Stop with this useless shit tito, this thread was about the serious rise of ebola in usa.

I had to block your signature because it's too long! Way over 100 px!

its 6 pictures lol

Написано Quantum027, 17.10.2014 at 18:08

Stop with this useless shit tito, this thread was about the serious rise of ebola in usa.

He can't help himself. He wants to think he is right so he just spouts BS.

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The best part, everything i said arent my words, but of Isaac Newton, one of the father of (modern)science. So debating me is actually debating fathers of science as i dont use my words, but theirs.

Second, i learned evolution in school, so i know what it is. You forgot all educational programs on this planet are atheist, they all teach evolution.

I was not created by dead materia, but by living parents, therefore life gave life, because my parents were alive when they made me.

If evolution is true, and all things evolved, why evolution stopped? I dont see monkes continue to evolve, or lions getting wings, or humans getting taller, faster, or better eyesight, kinetic energy, or ability to fly.

Why all things we find in nature are by evolution old millions of years of evoultion, and today we cant see evolution anymore?

And i got you there buddy, Radioactive Dating, the sword of evolutionists, crushed my american who lost his job and got death threats for revealing the truth about evoultion and radioactive dating - Sir Robert Gentry. He proved that method is not reliable and it is inaccurate because you cant track isotope parent(s) and uranium 238 lose trace after uranium 207 gets neutrons - it becomes uranium 208 and thus break the continuity. Thats why radioactive method once shows first mountain layer was old 20,000 years old, then second layer it showed it was old 200 years and third layer was old 20,000,000 years. Scientists laughed at that and stopped using that method.

The only valid method today is DNA extraction from fossils, and trick is - if we manage to extract DNA from fossil, that mean fossil is not older than 10,000 years. If it is older than 10,000 years, we cant extract DNA from fossils because there is none. Guess what - we extract DNA from all fossils we find, which means they are old max 10,000 years, not more, we never found fossil old millions or billions of years. Even so, DNA extraction is barbaric way, still better than radioactive.

He crushed evolution and all atheist scientist in his trial where he proved granite is made by God, as nature cannot create granite because polonium in it deplete in 3 minutes, granite need thousand of years to form, so how come then granite already have polonium in it? Without polonium, granite wouldnt be granite but some other rock, yet it have polonium. Because when God made planet in one day, granite was instantly created with polonium unable to deplete because it didnt had 3 minutes, it 'stucked' in granite instantly and was formed.

And here we go again. You say you learned evolution but you said something wrong, again. You said evolution stopped, that lions are not getting wings, humans do not have the ability to fly so let me explain it to you because these are very common misconceptions. In evolution, it occurs because of there being genetic variation. For example, with weeds, some are tall others are short. An example of evolution would be this. The owner of a piece of land cuts the grass and cuts the tall weeds. The short weeds are not being cut because they are not tall. The taller weeds die out the shorter weeds thrive better and there you have it, the weeds in that area have evolved. Another examples deals with bacteria. Im sure you can agree that today more bacteria are around taht are considered "super bugs" meaning they are able to live even with antibiotics that worked before. The reason? Evolution. The antibiotics killed say 99.99% but that .01% that lived, they now thrive and produce more offspring so the next round of antibiotics now maybe kills 98%. Now there are 2% to thrive they reproduce and it continues. Evolution does not work like this: Giraffes have long necks because they need long necks. AT a earlier time there were giraffes with long necs and short necks. The ones with long necks had a better chance to live than the short neck giraffes because they can recah food on the top of trees. The short next giraffes die out, their genes for short necks dies out, the gene pool now only has the gene for long necks and now all giraffes have long necks. In humans, we evolve in a case similar to this way. There is a migration of people southward. Those with darker skin colors (born with it not as a result of the environment) may adapt better to the new environment better than those who have fairly light skin color. With the increase in the sun's intensity and the increase in the UV rays, skin cancer risk is greater. Those with lighter skin color tend to get skin cancer more often than those with darker skin. Eventually, the lighter skin colored people die out and the darker skin colored people thrive. To answer you question on why evolution has seemed to stop I give you my opinion. Evolution does occur today. It occurs in plants and other animals, and with humans. Genetic traits that are dominant and deadly, are not common today. The reason being, the individual dies before he or she can pass that trait to offspring. Also, there are new medicines and supplements people can take to make up for difficulties in their environment. Such as sunscreen prevents skin cancer or supplements in one's diet for those who do not get enough vitamins. Transportation is much better today than it was 100 years ago. One can get anywhere in the world within a day. Traits are being spread all over the world and there has not been enough new generations to really show big jumps in evolution.

I apologize for making this so long but I really want to make sure you understand fully what evolution is.

Evolution is not a science about how life was created.

That is the area and a job of abiogenesis.

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So you are saying evolution need external force/help to keep it going, as you said owner of land cut the tall weed so short weed can prosper, therefore short weed didnt managed to evolve alone and prosper, it needed help from the outside.

Point is that we can test bible, and not only bible, but torah, tanah, talmut, and even kuran have taken some parts of it if im not wrong. Moses books are what we are testing, and never found a single lie or mistake, while evolution have many flaws and mistakes. Point is if only one word is wrong in Moses books - whole God concept is destroyed, while evolution always tell different, always adapt and change views and thesis.

Evolution says life was created out of nothing, just like that. While Moses wrote in his book life came from life, as God is living spirit, he gave life to a man. And we have prove that human is made from living human, dog from living dog, cat from living cat, plant from living plant, but we cant see dead materia, lets say building creating new small building alive, because they dont have life, they are dead materia.

That sound more like adaptation rather then evolution when you survive virus. Not only bugs and bacterias, but human as well, when you 'survive' chicken pox, or mononucleosis, you are fine after that, you cant get that again.

We find many species, plants, rocks, minerals in fossil records, millions, and those species doesnt live on this planet anymore, why? They died or evolved? If yes, why we dont see others evolving today, you say only small things evolve like bugs and bacteria, but in the past you can see big animals evolved, so why today big animals dont? Are you saying world will shrink from dinosauruses to bacteria (evolve)? we can clearly see different species in fossil records, and we cant see today new species, for the last 100 years we cant find new species, we find only those already discovered, so my sane conclusion would be they stopped evolving, they didnt evolve in the first place, or only small species continued to evolve so we cant see it unless under microscope.

Thats another fallacy, black people dont have to make only black people, as white people dont need to make white people, white can have black baby and black can have white baby, yellow can have white children. We tested Moses report and it clearly says humans had very good genes before the great flood, therefore they had/started all the 'races' we call today, even though they are not races, but just humans, if he is black or white doesnt mean he is different race.

This table proves that, a/b and A/B are human genes. White and white can have black children with no problem as they have gene for that. Its up to genes how will they combine, if they combine AA/BB, baby will be black. So yes, you dont have to kill your wife if she give birth to black baby, its yours, congratulations.

Another thing is, human think he is the strongest and smartest, while in fact we are very barbarical and backwarded. Our eyeview is between 0,4 and 1,4, we cant see everything, we are blind 80%, we see only small part of thing thats going on around us. Our ears can recieve 50-10,000hz so we cant hear all there can be heard, not all sound, just some small noises that are close to us. Yes human claim how God and angels doesnt exist because he cant see them, of course he cant as his viewrange is limited, he can have expanded viewrange, but that does not depends on him. Our view is like watching the room from the keyhole, you cant see whole room, just small part of it. You cant see whats in the corner of the room, your keyhole is small, but if someone is in the room, he can stand infront keyhole and you will see him then, until he move. Same applies with God and human.

It clearly said in Genesis, God spoke, and everything was created, therefore he made things out of sound, we know sound vibrate, turn on your volume on speaker and feel it. We tested many variations, some of them human ear cant hear them, and this is the result:

http://i.imgur.com/R4J59X4.gif

Doesnt remind of creation of planets and humans?

Before I begin I just have a question. When you say materia do you mean material and/or matter?

Anyway, to start off I will go back to when you said evolution needs an external force. Indeed it does. If there was not a problem that threatened a species evolution would not occur because it would not be needed. If everything was in perfect order, we or any species, would not need to evolve because there is nothing to involve towards.

For the next point, you said it sounds more like adaptation than evolution. Adaptation is apart of Evolution. A species adapts to a dilemma. I will use the giraffe example again. The food is all located on the top of tall trees. To get the food, the giraffes need to have long necks. Some giraffes have small necks, others have long necks. Those that have short necks starve while those with long necks and able to live on. Eventually, the offspring all have long necks, therefore the species has adapted and the species has evolved.

Now to go on when you said about only small things are evolving. I realize I did not have any human examples before but here are a couple now. First, most humans now can drink milk. Some people are lactose intolerant but I will be discussing those who are not. When mankind first came into existence, a gene that allows for the digestion of lactose began to "shut off" after the baby was starting to grow to old to breast feed. However, a mutation occurred after cows had been domesticated, that allowed for humans to begin to digest lactate. Those with the new gene were able to thrive and pass this mutation on to their offspring, therefore the gene was passed down to many generations evolving humans. Another example for human evolution: Wisdom teeth. Wisdom teeth are a third set of molars, they are now considered a vestigial organ. They were used for earlier humans who's diet consisted of nuts and meat. The meat was torn apart causing there teeth to be worn out over time, the third set of molars allowed them to continue their eating habits. Now, we have utensils, food is softer, jaws are smaller. A third set of molars is not needed and doesn't fit in most people's mouths, this is why some many people get their wisdom teeth removed. Today, 35% of people are born without wisdom teeth, that gene will be passed down and it is believed the gene for wisdom teeth will disappear all together.

Next one with skin color. Yes you are correct, black people can have a white baby and white people have a black baby but this example isn't perfect. The trend is that white people have white babies, black people have black babies, and this trend is what was basing it off of. Skin color though is dependent upon multiple genes to decide the color. In addition, the environment can play a factor in it as well like tans.

That is an interesting point about what we can see and hear however, I don't want to discuss the bible or any holy book because o be honest, I'm not a very religious person. I've never read the bible cover to cover and I know very few stories from the bible. It's not that I don't necessarily believe religions are false but in my opinion the bible and science shouldn't go together but I will make just one point about a story, the great flood and noah. Noah builds an ark for his family and two of every species, the earth is flooded, only those on the ark live. If this is true, how are they able to reproduce without having children who are extremely degenerative? Everyone knows today, that if you were to have children with people very close in your family, such as siblings or parents, the offspring would have extreme genetic mistakes as they have copy of chromosomes that are almost exactly the same. If they were to have children, the effect would be even greater to the point eventually where no offspring would be bale to live. So how is it possible that this one family grew to 7 billion +?

Написано Dereny, 18.10.2014 at 09:12

If this is true, how are they able to reproduce without having children who are extremely degenerative?

This statement is questionable ...since this forums are full of extremely degenerative human beings.

Написано Goblin, 18.10.2014 at 10:08

Написано Dereny, 18.10.2014 at 09:12

If this is true, how are they able to reproduce without having children who are extremely degenerative?

This statement is questionable ...since this forums are full of extremely degenerative human beings.

Dont give anyone any ideas to go against that statement

Написано Goblin, 18.10.2014 at 10:08

Написано Dereny, 18.10.2014 at 09:12

If this is true, how are they able to reproduce without having children who are extremely degenerative?

This statement is questionable ...since this forums are full of extremely degenerative human beings.

Sounds like you


MOM GET THE CAMERA OH MY ****ING GOD

Lol tito you are insane
>evolution is a big conspiracy by the scientific community to destroy god.



Take your pills

Wind ...is empty and meaningless?

Wind helps the plants spread their seeds, moves the clouds and the seas...

...but most importantly wind gives us pršut.

Does it...... does it matter how old the Earth is?

Написано Skanderbeg, 18.10.2014 at 04:52

White and white can have black children with no problem as they have gene for that

This is the most absurd thing I have ever read. That's not how genetics function. Also, pigmentation is not race.

Certain cures will only benefit European peoples. I believe a good portion of Europeans are immune due to the breeding of immune systems after the Black Plague. This only affects NW European areas though, or at least, areas which were heavily affected by Plague. A lot of theories claim this is a different form of the same plague from centuries back.

That's the theory, it holds water.

Update on news. Two nurses infected & one of them was on a plane while on a high fever.

Like I said, they should have closed the borders.Immigration has not only seriously harmed white majority nations, it it now has a high likelihood of actually killing them too.

Написано Skanderbeg, 20.10.2014 at 16:14

Its how genes combine. We all carry different genes from 50,000 to 300,000, some of them have black pigmentation(lame terms, generally)

Show examples. Pigmentation is not race. A Western European with charcoal skin colour is still Western European.

Ok enough of this 5700 years foolishnes.

We see light from stars that are hundreds of thousands light years away, some of them not even existing anymore ...it took hundreds of thousands of years for that light to reach earth so that we are able too see it.

Thats calculation, thats science and not counting sons and daughters of bible characters.