Greece?

So "North Macedonia" is made up slav country while Greece is, Greece. And Greece want NM back? But NM see themselves as Alex?

Macedonia is Greece!
Historically, DNA, language, area, all its Greek!
And all the world knows it!!
How can slavs being ancient Greeks!?
Because in fakedonia speaking slavic dialect not even Greek!
Long live Greece!

It's so funny thinking that current day greeks are related to ancient greeks, or current day egyptians to ancient egyptians.

Написано Black Swans, 04.07.2021 at 13:11

It's so funny thinking that current day greeks are related to ancient greeks, or current day egyptians to ancient egyptians.

For my part, I find it more funny to create a state with a stolen language, a stolen history, a stolen land, and at the same time to continue to believe that you are genuine.
Also about related ancient greeks with modern that's need big discussion!!

Написано Bella Ciao, 04.07.2021 at 13:39

Написано Black Swans, 04.07.2021 at 13:11

It's so funny thinking that current day greeks are related to ancient greeks, or current day egyptians to ancient egyptians.

For my part, I find it more funny to create a state with a stolen language, a stolen history, a stolen land, and at the same time to continue to believe that you are genuine.
Also about related ancient greeks with modern that's need big discussion!!

Bulgarians are slavicized Turks, a lot of Bosniaks today are islamized Hungarians, Croats, Austrians, Slovaks, that came to Bosnia as Ottoman empire was losing ground. I won't even go into how it's possible that Bosniaks have more Illyrian DNA than Albanians, how there are many Albanized Serbs and how there are many Bosniakized Albanians, and not to even mention going deep into edgy topics like Vlachs in Bosnia, medieval Serbs vs modern-day...

How many descendants of Greeks are today Turks and vice versa ? Millions, but no one can say with certainty.

What's my point ? Nations need to latch onto history even though it may not be historically accurate and to try to pull that under them is to try and deny them of rights of being nation, because politics is all about continuity and keeping the status quo.

Look at Jewish myth of coming back home after 2000 years, that's what unites them today + holocaust. They were willing to import africans to keep that myth alive, I won't even go into balkan or greek myths that is keeping nations together.

Is it impossible that greeks were slavicized ? Of course not.

I mentioned current day greeks and ancient greeks for a reason and you said it's complicated. That's TRUE it is, history is complicated, people are complex so let's stop acting like puritans and that everything ever is done in good will or to protect something/someone. Trying to take away macedonian national identity is done with evil intentions

Написано DeepFriedUnicorn, 03.07.2021 at 23:35

So "North Macedonia" is made up slav country while Greece is, Greece. And Greece want NM back? But NM see themselves as Alex?

Basically Macedonia historically was a Greek city state and empire under Alexander the Great. North Macedonia are a mixture of confused Bulgarians and Serbs who had no national identity of their own so decided to call themselves Macedonia because the land they live on was historically part of Macedonia. Greeks, Albanians and Bulgarians dislike this as they're either pretending to be something they're not or are claiming someone else's history and/or culture. Macedonia is Greek.

Greece doesn't want "North Macedonia" back, don't know where you heard that, Greece has never laid territorial claims on Skopje, not in many centuries anyway. As for why "North Macedonia" is a made up nation while Greece is not, it's because if you timeskip back a little over 100 years, the people you call "Macedonians" were identified both by themselves and by the rest of Europe as Bulgarians, but after the region came under the control of Serbia (and later Yugoslavia) a propaganda campaign was launched to convince the local people that they are not Bulgarians but a completely separate southern Slavic ethnicity. This was done to counter Bulgarian territorial claims to the region and also internal unrest. By contrast no foreign power came to Greece to force Greek people to think that they are Greek, the people of Greece have held a common national identity since the times of Homer and that has gone uninterrupted until the present day. The whole claim about Alexander the Great not being Greek but "Macedonian" (Skopjan) is less than 30 years old and was made after the independence of Skopje from Yugoslavia, and it is completely ludicrous, Alexander the Great identified as Greek as shown in numerous quotes by himself, spoke Greek, worshipped Greek gods, competed in the Olympic games, and held himself as champion of all Greeks, claiming to liberate the Greeks of Ionia from Persian rule. Even if for some magical reason he weren't Greek, he'd have nothing to do with the people now living in the Vardar valley, a territory that wasn't even part of ancient Macedonia until the times of Alexander, who are in all manners a Slavic nation with Slavic language and customs. What Greece and Greeks want in the entire debate is basically just for "Macedonians" to stop larping as something they are not and trying to claim Greek history as theirs, and admit that they are a south Slavic nation closely related to Bulgarians.

As for modern Greeks not being related to ancient Greeks, that is blatantly false, modern Greek language is directly descended from ancient Greek, genetically the majority of Greeks trace their ancestry to ancient Greeks, with natural intermixing that comes with time and population movements, every aspect of modern Greek culture from customs and traditions to values and morality has its basis on ancient Greece, children grow up with legends of Odysseus and Achilles. For the comparison with Egyptians, Turks, Bosniaks and whatnot, many of the things stated above are wrong: Egyptians do not speak a language descended from their ancient one but instead speak Arabic and most of their customs are Arabic in origin, Turks are genetically mostly related to ancient Anatolian peoples as well as Greeks, you can just google Turk DNA tests and Greek DNA tests and see the results, Greeks are much more Greek than Turks are Turkic (Central Asian), and Turkish culture has been affected by Greek one much more than the other way around. As for Bosniaks supposedly being Czechs or Hungarians or whatever, realise Bosnia was under Habsburg rule for just 40 years, and no major immigration waves happened in that time, Bosniaks are very much descended from Slavs who came to the region in the 1st millennium, as well as older local peoples like Illyrians, but more importantly aside from their religion their culture is near-identical to their neighbouring Serbs and Croats.

The scenarios guy is in the house, Good game.

Написано Bella Ciao, 04.07.2021 at 07:26

Macedonia is Greece!
Historically, DNA, language, area, all its Greek!
And all the world knows it!!
How can slavs being ancient Greeks!?
Because in fakedonia speaking slavic dialect not even Greek!
Long live Greece!

Wow, isn't this fascism?
Macedonian is a South Slavic language, not Hellenic.No one should be taking 'area' as an argument for evaluation of nation's right to exist. Area that is governed by modern day's Macedonia/North Macedonia is populated by Macedonians, South Slavic ethnic group. Tsar Samuel being the first Tsar of the Macedonian Slavs in 10th century gives a long historical timeline for Macedonian Slavs to freely call themselves domestic in modern day Macedonia.
No one says that any Slavs are ancient Greeks, not even modern Greeks are descendants of ancient Greeks. Calling anyone's nation or country 'fakedonia' is unacceptable by my standards, but everyone here shows and behaves according to their own cultural pattern. Macedonian language is not some slavic dialect, it is one of the first Slavic languages to be founded.
Eternal problem of Macedonian Slavs is living between 4 voracious neighbours - Albanians (claiming part of their land), Greeks (completely negating them as a nation, going so far to not allowing them to use their historic name), Bulgarians (claiming that they are Bulgarians, not a separate ethnic group) and Serbians (declaring themselves as the best option for Macedonians, although they tried to serbize Macedonians in the past).
How can Greece live long when its external debt to gdp ratio is around 300%? Greeks should care less about Macedonians/Macedonian Slavs, and worry about economy, existence and future more. You won't live long depending on whether Macedonia will be called Macedonia or North Macedonia, your politicians just use this and other similiar irrelevant questions to draw attention from problems of Greek society.

Better cooperate with the region than to sabotage.

The case is very clear now.

Modern day Greeks are victims of their own myths, so many times seen in the balkans, unable to reach those myths. Boxed between two big countries Italy and Turkey and their failures in 1920s in Turkey and 1970s in Cyprus they take their frustration out on Macedonia

Ps. Love greek selective reading, they must've picked that up when they were learning ancient greek. D

Написано Oleg, 04.07.2021 at 22:56

Wow, isn't this fascism?
Macedonian is a South Slavic language, not Hellenic.No one should be taking 'area' as an argument for evaluation of nation's right to exist. Area that is governed by modern day's Macedonia/North Macedonia is populated by Macedonians, South Slavic ethnic group. Tsar Samuel being the first Tsar of the Macedonian Slavs in 10th century gives a long historical timeline for Macedonian Slavs to freely call themselves domestic in modern day Macedonia.
No one says that any Slavs are ancient Greeks, not even modern Greeks are descendants of ancient Greeks. Calling anyone's nation or country 'fakedonia' is unacceptable by my standards, but everyone here shows and behaves according to their own cultural pattern. Macedonian language is not some slavic dialect, it is one of the first Slavic languages to be founded.
Eternal problem of Macedonian Slavs is living between 4 voracious neighbours - Albanians (claiming part of their land), Greeks (completely negating them as a nation, going so far to not allowing them to use their historic name), Bulgarians (claiming that they are Bulgarians, not a separate ethnic group) and Serbians (declaring themselves as the best option for Macedonians, although they tried to serbize Macedonians in the past).
How can Greece live long when its external debt to gdp ratio is around 300%? Greeks should care less about Macedonians/Macedonian Slavs, and worry about economy, existence and future more. You won't live long depending on whether Macedonia will be called Macedonia or North Macedonia, your politicians just use this and other similiar irrelevant questions to draw attention from problems of Greek society.

Better cooperate with the region than to sabotage.

And here is the problem. Not content with plagiarising Greek historical figures, now the so-called "Macedonians" are plagiarising Bulgarian historical figures as well. Tsar Samuel was a Bulgarian, considered himself a Bulgarian, ruled a Bulgarian empire, and yes, his state had the core of its power at what is today known as "north Macedonia", guess why? Because "Macedonians" at the time were indistinguishable from Bulgarians. The IMRO that fought Greek and other militias in the 1893-1908 war was openly Bulgarian ethnically, its leader had this to say on the goals of the group:

"We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on the autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn't accept the position for "direct joining to Bulgaria" because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers and the aspirations of the neighbouring small countries and Turkey. It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria subsequently and if the worst comes to the worst, that it could play a role as a unifying link of a federation of Balkan people. The region of Adrianople, as far as I remember, didn't take part in our program, and I think the idea to add it to autonomous Macedonia came later."

Direct quote from Hristo Tatarchev

Now you tell me so-called "Macedonians" aren't Bulgarians anymore and don't want to be thought as such, go ahead, I have no problem with that. But they need to acknowledge that their nation is just a hundred years old, and not try to plagiarise historical figures of other nations from centuries past, or use terminology such as "Macedonian" that is clearly fallacious as Macedonia is a Greek term in origin and has been used as such for centuries, and there are true Macedonians living today in Thessaloniki and other cities in the true Macedonia that do not appreciate foreigners using their name for themselves.

As for external debt, aside from the fact that it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand and being just a blatant attack on Greece to make you feel better about yourself, is actually an irrelevant factor in a nation's economy, Luxembourg has an external debt 63 times its GDP but nobody is suffering from poverty there. What you are looking for is national debt or government debt.

Написано Oleg, 04.07.2021 at 22:56

Написано Bella Ciao, 04.07.2021 at 07:26

Macedonia is Greece!
Historically, DNA, language, area, all its Greek!
And all the world knows it!!
How can slavs being ancient Greeks!?
Because in fakedonia speaking slavic dialect not even Greek!
Long live Greece!

Wow, isn't this fascism?
Macedonian is a South Slavic language, not Hellenic.No one should be taking 'area' as an argument for evaluation of nation's right to exist. Area that is governed by modern day's Macedonia/North Macedonia is populated by Macedonians, South Slavic ethnic group. Tsar Samuel being the first Tsar of the Macedonian Slavs in 10th century gives a long historical timeline for Macedonian Slavs to freely call themselves domestic in modern day Macedonia.
No one says that any Slavs are ancient Greeks, not even modern Greeks are descendants of ancient Greeks. Calling anyone's nation or country 'fakedonia' is unacceptable by my standards, but everyone here shows and behaves according to their own cultural pattern. Macedonian language is not some slavic dialect, it is one of the first Slavic languages to be founded.
Eternal problem of Macedonian Slavs is living between 4 voracious neighbours - Albanians (claiming part of their land), Greeks (completely negating them as a nation, going so far to not allowing them to use their historic name), Bulgarians (claiming that they are Bulgarians, not a separate ethnic group) and Serbians (declaring themselves as the best option for Macedonians, although they tried to serbize Macedonians in the past).
How can Greece live long when its external debt to gdp ratio is around 300%? Greeks should care less about Macedonians/Macedonian Slavs, and worry about economy, existence and future more. You won't live long depending on whether Macedonia will be called Macedonia or North Macedonia, your politicians just use this and other similiar irrelevant questions to draw attention from problems of Greek society.

Better cooperate with the region than to sabotage.

What a fuck I reading now!!!

Написано Augustus Caesar, 04.07.2021 at 16:46

Написано DeepFriedUnicorn, 03.07.2021 at 23:35

So "North Macedonia" is made up slav country while Greece is, Greece. And Greece want NM back? But NM see themselves as Alex?

Basically Macedonia historically was a Greek city state and empire under Alexander the Great. North Macedonia are a mixture of confused Bulgarians and Serbs who had no national identity of their own so decided to call themselves Macedonia because the land they live on was historically part of Macedonia. Greeks, Albanians and Bulgarians dislike this as they're either pretending to be something they're not or are claiming someone else's history and/or culture. Macedonia is Greek.

oh someone knows history !!
Thanks bro !

I just found video of Swans writing stuff on forums and Pavle supporting him (as head supporter should do!)

How can a slavic tribe say that they are Macedonians, from the moment that ancient Macedonia was an ancient Greek part and the people there spoke the ancient Greek dialect.
From the moment the Slavic tribes came in the area in the 7th century!!

Here some facts why Macedonia is Greek:

1) The name Macedonia and Macedonians are Greek words and are derived from the ancient word <makos> meaning long, tall. Which is a Doric type of word lenght!

2) The religion of the ancient Macedonians was the same as that of all other Greeks. They believed the same 12 gods and believed that their twelve inhabited the great Macedonian mountain Olympus!

3) Herodotus the father of history clearly said that the Macedonians was Greeks!

4) The ancient Macedonains took part in the olympics, in which only Greeks where allowed to participate!

5) In ancient Macedonia there were Greek theaters and Greek tragedies were played. Macedonians could not watch Greek tradegies if they were barbarian.

6) Alexander the great began his campaing as commander in chief of not all Macedonians but all Greeks. At the Panhellenic congress of Corinth in 335 BC. All Greeks expect the Lacedaemonians.

7) That period of the succesors of Alexander the great was not called Macedonian but Hellenistic!

8) In ancient Mcedonian coins all representations are from the subject of ancient Greek art and in the Greek language!

9) Language , main names, surnames, month names, season names, holiday names, all had Greek etymology. Also the vocal passions slopes and endings were all Greek!

10) Macedonians were an ancient Greek tribe, like the Dorians, Ioanians and Aeolians. They spoke Greek in a dialect closely related to Doric and Aeolian dialect!

Ahem... f greek!!!!

Написано Zephyrusu, 05.07.2021 at 03:59

And here is the problem. Not content with plagiarising Greek historical figures, now the so-called "Macedonians" are plagiarising Bulgarian historical figures as well. Tsar Samuel was a Bulgarian, considered himself a Bulgarian, ruled a Bulgarian empire, and yes, his state had the core of its power at what is today known as "north Macedonia", guess why? Because "Macedonians" at the time were indistinguishable from Bulgarians. The IMRO that fought Greek and other militias in the 1893-1908 war was openly Bulgarian ethnically, its leader had this to say on the goals of the group:

Macedonians of that time were more distinguishable from Bulgarians than modern Macedonians from modern Bulgarians. I am pretty well educated about whole South Slavic history, read very carefully what i exactly said - 'Tsar of Macedonian Slavs', not Tsar of Macedonia. He was Bulgarian, but he ruled over Macedonian Slavs aswell, and many other ethnic groups.

Написано Bella Ciao, 05.07.2021 at 06:00

tldr

Since modern Greeks can't be considered descendants of ancient Greeks, I believe Greece does not have rights to be called that way. I suggest some other name, "South Greece" can work.

And, just to be clear, I could not care less about Greece/Macedonia drama, I just expressed my views idk why are you so hyped about them I believe Swans could not care less either.
The fact is and the historical reality is that the Macedonian tribes were organized into sclavenis and other political, economic and military alliances, which led to coexistence and interaction with the ancient Macedonians (aka mixing). Modern Macedonians are a mixture of ancient Macedonians and a huge migration of Slavs. (and later other ethnic groups) We are all a mixture of some kind, i do not like count erythrocytes. The fact is that if you live closer to North Macedonia than to Athenks, you will probably genetically be more similiar to Macedonian Slavs than to Greeks from south.
No one in 21st Century should care about this... With modern genetics, it is easier to determine your origins, than to decrease debt.

So much drama over nothing, lmao. Who the actual fuck cares. Stop fighting over some ancient history. Neither of you have any rights to that history. Youre just lucky to be born to macedonian/ greek or anything. Any politician who brings these shit up, is trying to make precedent over something, usually to gain more power over you and make something of himself over your naive backs.

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 14:31

Since modern Greeks can't be considered descendants of ancient Greeks, I believe Greece does not have rights to be called that way. I suggest some other name, "South Greece" can work.

And, just to be clear, I could not care less about Greece/Macedonia drama, I just expressed my views idk why are you so hyped about them I believe Swans could not care less either.

Modern Greeks can be considered descendants of ancient Greeks though. I don't even know what to respond to first to this nonsense, the modern state of Greece controls the ancient traditional heartland of the Greek nation and modern Greek culture is part of the same continuity as ancient Greek one, unlike modern "'Macedonian" culture which has nothing to do with that of ancient Macedonians. Try to make your parallels make sense.

As for "Macedonian Slavs", I can accept that as a name, but that is not the name Skopjans use for themselves, they call themselves "Macedonians", period, which is plagiarism. It is unnatural to live in a world where foreign people who hear "Macedonia" think of Skopje and not Thessaloniki. And I care because I do not appreciate a nation that spawned into existence in the early 20th century lying to the world and claiming that foreign historical figures aren't part of the history of the countries they really lived in and called home. Especially when said lies are believed by certain people.

Написано Zephyrusu, 05.07.2021 at 14:54

Modern Greeks can be considered descendants of ancient Greeks though. I don't even know what to respond to first to this nonsense, the modern state of Greece controls the ancient traditional heartland of the Greek nation and modern Greek culture is part of the same continuity as ancient Greek one, unlike modern "'Macedonian" culture which has nothing to do with that of ancient Macedonians. Try to make your parallels make sense.

So, you base your opinion that modern Greeks can be considered descendants of ancient Greks because the modern Greek state controls the heartland of ancient Greece? Can Italians be considered descendants of ancient Romans? can Tunisians be considered descendants of ancient Carthaginians? Can Lombardians be considered descendants of ancient Etrurians? Can modern Egyptians be considered descendants of ancient Egyptians? Can French be considered descendants of Gauls?
I never said that modern Macedonian culture has anything to do with ancient Macedonians either, please read carefully what I write.

Написано Zephyrusu, 05.07.2021 at 14:54

As for "Macedonian Slavs", I can accept that as a name, but that is not the name Skopjans use for themselves, they call themselves "Macedonians", period, which is plagiarism. It is unnatural to live in a world where foreign people who hear "Macedonia" think of Skopje and not Thessaloniki.

How is it unnatural? What does natural naming even mean? I already said that modern Macedonians are a mixture of ancient Macedonians and a huge migration of Slavs (and later other ethnic groups). Does it personally threaten you if they are called Macedonian? Will it kill you? I personally think first of Skopje when someone says 'Macedonia', and it will not change even if the state itself is called "North Macedonia". We can't live 4th century BC.

Написано Zephyrusu, 05.07.2021 at 14:54

And I care because I do not appreciate a nation that spawned into existence in the early 20th century lying to the world and claiming that foreign historical figures aren't part of the history of the countries they really lived in and called home. Especially when said lies are believed by certain people.

You easily mix a very precisely defined terms - ethnicity and nation. The first true founded nation in the World is French nation, in late 18th century. Modern Greek nation is founded in 19th century. Do not mix the term of nation with term of ethnicity. Sociology is a very precise science.

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with ethnicity, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel British, i declare British. Waiting my British passport pm for adress

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 15:47

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel British, i declare British. Waiting my British passport pm for adress

I think he means culture and not nationality. Your nationality can be changed due to which nation you currently allign yourself with. And Britain like most have requirements if you want to become one. Like reside in the country for a few years, learn to speak english etc.
Jugers: tried to be funny, but looked dumb.

Написано ITSGG1122, 05.07.2021 at 15:53

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 15:47

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel British, i declare British. Waiting my British passport pm for adress

I think he means culture and not nationality. Your nationality can be changed due to which nation you currently allign yourself with. And Britain like most have requirements if you want to become one. Like reside in the country for a few years, learn to speak english etc.
Jugers: tried to be funny, but looked dumb.

He clearly wrote nationality... He is a good dog by himself no need others dog assistance to bark so you can smd.

Also you talk about citizenship.

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel like crown prince of Denmark, I now await my riches and throne thanks

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 16:51

Написано ITSGG1122, 05.07.2021 at 15:53

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 15:47

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel British, i declare British. Waiting my British passport pm for adress

I think he means culture and not nationality. Your nationality can be changed due to which nation you currently allign yourself with. And Britain like most have requirements if you want to become one. Like reside in the country for a few years, learn to speak english etc.
Jugers: tried to be funny, but looked dumb.

He clearly wrote nationality... He is a good dog by himself no need others dog assistance to bark so you can smd.

Also you talk about citizenship.

damn u must feel so attacked right now. Calling people dogs. U feel proud right now? U mad bro? obviously ur peepee is very small. Only person here who needs some assistance is you and its mommy's milk to grow up.

Написано ITSGG1122, 05.07.2021 at 17:53

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 16:51

Написано ITSGG1122, 05.07.2021 at 15:53

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 15:47

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel British, i declare British. Waiting my British passport pm for adress

I think he means culture and not nationality. Your nationality can be changed due to which nation you currently allign yourself with. And Britain like most have requirements if you want to become one. Like reside in the country for a few years, learn to speak english etc.
Jugers: tried to be funny, but looked dumb.

He clearly wrote nationality... He is a good dog by himself no need others dog assistance to bark so you can smd.

Also you talk about citizenship.

damn u must feel so attacked right now. Calling people dogs. U feel proud right now? U mad bro? obviously ur peepee is very small. Only person here who needs some assistance is you and its mommy's milk to grow up.

Going out trying to act smart but you forget you are retarded. Yep that's you

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 17:58

Написано ITSGG1122, 05.07.2021 at 17:53

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 16:51

Написано ITSGG1122, 05.07.2021 at 15:53

Написано JUGERS2, 05.07.2021 at 15:47

Написано Oleg, 05.07.2021 at 15:17

I will finish my participation in this topic by an easy example:
When someone asks 'What's your name', and you say 'Constantine', no one will come and say to you 'No, you can't be Constantine, you are 'Mehmet'.
Similiar thing it with nationality, you personally decide how you feel. If you feel like Greek, no one has right to negate you the right to feel like Greek. Even if I felt and wanted to declare myself as Greek, no one can negate me that right. Negating such rights is called fascism.

I feel British, i declare British. Waiting my British passport pm for adress

I think he means culture and not nationality. Your nationality can be changed due to which nation you currently allign yourself with. And Britain like most have requirements if you want to become one. Like reside in the country for a few years, learn to speak english etc.
Jugers: tried to be funny, but looked dumb.

He clearly wrote nationality... He is a good dog by himself no need others dog assistance to bark so you can smd.

Also you talk about citizenship.

damn u must feel so attacked right now. Calling people dogs. U feel proud right now? U mad bro? obviously ur peepee is very small. Only person here who needs some assistance is you and its mommy's milk to grow up.

Going out trying to act smart but you forget you are retarded. Yep that's you

Thats not even me being smart. Just calling u out for the person u are. Calling people dogs for no reason, seems like ur mother raised u very poorly. Or maybe she never gave u any milk so u crave for it like the child that u are.

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