On the new ToS.

Написано Goblin, 18.03.2015 at 04:53

Написано Khal.eesi, 16.03.2015 at 11:21

God said an eye for an eye and i am very religious.

You would probably be among does people who beat to death that guy in India who was accused of rape only to find out later the guy was wrongfully accused.

Btw. as i remember Jesus said ...turn the other cheek. Or do you follow that crazy old testament God?

no i am one of those guys who read about tenths of cases of little girls who got acid on their faces because they didnt want to get raped by 50 year old cunts in India or Pakistan.I am one of those guys who read about what happens when a woman reports a rape in Iraq, Saudi or Syria.I am one of those guys who watch live videos of beheadings, torture and public hanging of supposed homosexuals, while hearing shouts of "alah" on the backround.I dont follow any gods, i piss on them.

As far as I understand all maps and scenarios on atwar are property of atwar. It is the game makers right to do what they want with them. If you have valuable property that you don't want to share better not share your maps on atwar. I see it entirely as the game makers prerogative.

Написано Goblin, 18.03.2015 at 10:47

Написано Netre, 18.03.2015 at 08:23

You have to take into account that the world is filled with gobshites and this game is a magnet to them

I beg your pardon.

Btw. you people are really cute with your "map makers deserved this" xD ...why i laugh? ...because admins did no harm to map makers, beside insulting them.

Yea maybe they can stop you from deleting your map, unpublishing it ...but they have no right what so ever to control HOW YOU EDIT your map, that is your right ...and if that means taking a dump on a map, editing the borders to look like shit, removing cities ...its map makers "art" and design.

So who has the real control here? ...dead letter on paper like i said, one that was changed without notice.

i'm not sure whats the quote for do you want a dash over the "e" or something. I'm not saying map makers are to blame. just saying you and the mods could really try seeing eye to eye instead of berating each other in forums everywhere, having multiple entire threads devoted to your argument or turned into your argument. even if they are interesting to read they get numerous.

Написано Netre, 18.03.2015 at 14:58

i'm not sure whats the quote for do you want a dash over the "e" or something. I'm not saying map makers are to blame. just saying you and the mods could really try seeing eye to eye instead of berating each other in forums everywhere, having multiple entire threads devoted to your argument or turned into your argument. even if they are interesting to read they get numerous.

You know whats funny? ...if anyone here actually took an interest in questions asked in this topic and did some research ...this thread would end on page 1. ...but that wouldn't be fun :/

Holding rights over custom made content:
• ProtoBytes ...do have the right to keep all custom made content of atWar users and this is nothing unusual as every other fucking game does the same and is entitled to
- modders of games that do "total conversions" of the game using modding tools have rights of property over their creation ...map making here can unlikely be called "total conversion".

Changing Terms of service without notice:
• no, they had no right to change Terms of service without notice to its users ...we are not obliged to check Terms of service every time we log in and this kind of terms of service are not valid.

Написано RaulPB, 18.03.2015 at 06:12

Написано theFuehrer, 18.03.2015 at 02:28

Raul, you see, the thing is... I never once asked for your opinion. What am I doing here? I am here having a discussion. You say we aren't anyone to state anything about the admin's behavior. Well, if that is what you believe. Who are you to state anything about my behavior? After all, I am my own person, so I can do as I please. If you believe what I am doing is wrong, why don't you try talking to me in private? You do believe problems are solved in private, correct? Or are you trying to make me look like an asshole or/and degenerate my public image? IF you believe doing something like that proves very little respect, than I truly believe you have very little respect. Do you see how I have turned the tables?

Anyway, you saying I am making this a public cry of attention, in other words, you calling me an 'attention whore' is in fact an insult directed at me. If you do or you don't think I am a liar, I would not care but I can assure you I don't speak lies. In the end, this game does not affect my personal life.

But Please, Raul, next time think about everything you say.. so far it has only made you look like a jackass on these forums.

LOL

Nice try. I don't have any problem with you, you're the one with the problem with the ToS rules. I'm trying to advise you what would be best for you to do in case you really wanted to solve this issue, which is talking directly to the admins since they are the only ones that developed those new rules and the only ones that can back down. Since you don't seem to have any other idea for a solution, you shouldn't feel bad for recieving such advise. Summarizing, I'm trying to help, I don't have any problem with anyone, including you.

You might have never asked any opinion at all but you do realise that once you publish your opinions here, in public, you're bowed to be criticised by anyone who reads it?? This is a place to be heard and to give opinions about anything that's being talked about, want it or not, having asked opinion or not. If you didn't want me to give my opinion, as I told you, you should have done this in private. As you say, you're here to have a discussion, which doesn't exclude me.

So, what table did you turn?

Hm... I'm sorry if saying that this is a cry of attention offended you but if you want to understand it as calling you a whore is not my problem, I never said such thing and it doesn't have anything to be with my thoughts. I think you're too used to trolls in this forum. Anyway, you're the one insulting me now so the same goes to you: watch your words asshole.

You are quick to respond.. but you don't realize that you are the one with the problem. Originally, you claimed problems don't get solved by making them public. Then you go on and say, 'let the ones responsible for this tell their opinion about all this stuff.' So my problem with you is, why are you making a problem with me in public, if I was originally in the wrong, why don't you try talking to me in Private? And why are you here giving your opinion if you believe the responsible ones should be the only ones giving their opinion? Why aren't you taking your own advice, instead of trying to make yourself seem right?

You aren't trying to help in any way, but I do believe you are trying to make me look like an asshole and degenerate my public image. If you were truly trying to help, like you claim, you would have sent me a private message from the start. Instead you're pointing out my mistakes and telling me what you think I should do. It's like telling your son, while holding a beer in your hand, 'Hey son, don't drink alcohol, it's bad!' At the end, it makes you look like a hypocrite for telling me I shouldn't be pointing out their problems, yet you are pointing out mine. Is that very hard for your little arrogant brain to understand?

Also, you still did not answer my question. Who are you to state anything about my behavior?
The reality is, you are nobody, just like we are nobody to state anything about the admin's behavior, although they kind of had it coming. When someone is doing something that I believe is wrong, I will speak out. I am sure you are the type to stay shut if the Government is doing something wrong. That's what you have shown me here, which is utterly sad.

Watch my words, or what? You are the one who quoted me first.. Expect this type of behavior when you start to talk down on someone, jackass!

Написано Goblin, 18.03.2015 at 15:50

Changing Terms of service without notice:
• no, they had no right to change Terms of service without notice to its users ...we are not obliged to check Terms of service every time we log in and this kind of terms of service are not valid.

Especially since I have not signed or checked anything saying that I approve the new ToS

Написано Quantum027, 18.03.2015 at 23:59

Especially since I have not signed or checked anything saying that I approve the new ToS

Well, thats the thing ...you don't have to specifically approve anything. It's presumed you did by continuing to use the "product".

That still doesn't justify or is making the new paragraphs in Terms of service valid as i understand from what i have read about similar cases of other websites.

I didn't realize so many lawyers play atwar

Написано Cthulhu, 19.03.2015 at 07:45

I didn't realize so many lawyers play atwar

I think you mean wannabe lawyers/kids who are next to clueless.

Написано Cthulhu, 19.03.2015 at 07:45

I didn't realize so many lawyers play atwar

Law students, practicing the art of bullshiting

Lawyers practice in an adversarial system in which there are winners and losers... so many AW parallels. But
At least in AW, no one goes to jail or gets sued for one billion dollars, as they practice 'the art of bs '

have fun... ♥

Написано theFuehrer, 18.03.2015 at 22:45

You are quick to respond.. but you don't realize that you are the one with the problem. Originally, you claimed problems don't get solved by making them public. Then you go on and say, 'let the ones responsible for this tell their opinion about all this stuff.' So my problem with you is, why are you making a problem with me in public, if I was originally in the wrong, why don't you try talking to me in Private? And why are you here giving your opinion if you believe the responsible ones should be the only ones giving their opinion? Why aren't you taking your own advice, instead of trying to make yourself seem right?

You aren't trying to help in any way, but I do believe you are trying to make me look like an asshole and degenerate my public image. If you were truly trying to help, like you claim, you would have sent me a private message from the start. Instead you're pointing out my mistakes and telling me what you think I should do. It's like telling your son, while holding a beer in your hand, 'Hey son, don't drink alcohol, it's bad!' At the end, it makes you look like a hypocrite for telling me I shouldn't be pointing out their problems, yet you are pointing out mine. Is that very hard for your little arrogant brain to understand?

Also, you still did not answer my question. Who are you to state anything about my behavior?
The reality is, you are nobody, just like we are nobody to state anything about the admin's behavior, although they kind of had it coming. When someone is doing something that I believe is wrong, I will speak out. I am sure you are the type to stay shut if the Government is doing something wrong. That's what you have shown me here, which is utterly sad.

Watch my words, or what? You are the one who quoted me first.. Expect this type of behavior when you start to talk down on someone, jackass!

You really are impressive.... in a negative way.
I repeat myself: I don't have any problem. If you have a problem then it's not my problem.
I didn't try talking you in private cause you talked in public, denigrating with that the admins without having talked with them before of posting everything here. I gave you my opinion about what you said and adviced you to take it to a private talk with them...
I am giving my opinion cause I feel that you needed someone to tell you what was the only possible solution to all this headache: talking with the admins.
I am not trying to be right or wrong, I'm giving you a simple advice. If you don't want to take it, I will think that you don't really want to solve things with the admins about this matter and all you wanna do is complain in vain. If you accept my advice, then I will thank you for being an understanding person, unless you have a good reason for not following my advice of course.

I'm trying to help but all you seem to see is some sort of criticism or offense towards yourself and as a respone, you behave overagressive, as if you were trying to defend yourself from an unexisting threat. This wasn't my intention but... what can I do when you see things that aren't real?
Why would I have to send a private when you're stating your opinion right here, in public? Is there something you don't understand in my decission? You have a problem, problems are solved in private (just becuase it is more effective), I don't have any problem, I wish to advice you about what IN MY OPINION is the better solution and so I reply to your messages which are in public. End of story.
If you think I'm arrogant, what do you think you're behaving like? Just take a deep breath and stop with the bitching only because I gave you an advice. My question would be: Why are you blind?? Can't you see what I'm trying? If you don't then there's no point in continuing with this.

I am the same as you, a participant in this forum. If you can participate and give your opinion, so can I. In the moment you decided to post something here you should have known that anyone who reads it has the power and the capability to agree or disagree with what you say and comment about it. But, unlike you, I'm not questioning what admins have done, I'm giving an opinion to someone just like me. If I had a problem with admins I would have told them in private first. If they wouldn't listen to me then I would think of making it public.
Government has nothing to do with a game, that's a poor comparison. What you've proven me is that you can't argue with a minimum of politeness or smartness without getting mad for any stupid reason.

Talk down on someone? If that's what you think I'm doing then go clean your glasses and read again, I'm talking to you as an equal. Dumbass...

Speaking of equal, and getting back to the ToS, does it say anywhere that equality was part of the service terms?

Alright guys, I myself am pulling out of both this discussion and the game (Note: Not meant to be dramatic, before you reply with "WAAAAAH I'M GARDEFAG) like I was two weeks ago. If any of you have valuable content on here, I'd suggest removing it, seeing as the staff seems to be quite ignorant and/or treating us like children. "Wannabe lawyer"? I swear to god, the power complex of some of you mods is astounding. Anyways guys, thanks for keeping the thread alive for this long. I can't really think of any other way to tackle this though, I'm afraid: The staff just doesn't care anymore. Keep the flame going strong. I'll check in some time like before and see if any of the bullshit has been swept away.

Написано Guest, 19.03.2015 at 14:53

Alright guys, I myself am pulling out of both this discussion and the game If any of you have valuable content on here, I'd suggest removing it, seeing as the staff seems to be quite ignorant and/or treating us like children.

Thanks for trying to ruin the game for the rest of us that still enjoy it, just because you dont want to play it anymore.

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Написано Guest, 19.03.2015 at 14:53

Alright guys, I myself am pulling out of both this discussion and the game If any of you have valuable content on here, I'd suggest removing it, seeing as the staff seems to be quite ignorant and/or treating us like children.

Thanks for trying to ruin the game for the rest of us that still enjoy it, just because you dont want to play it anymore.

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Greek knowledge had spoken.

Написано Guest, 19.03.2015 at 14:53

Alright guys, I myself am pulling out of both this discussion and the game (Note: Not meant to be dramatic, before you reply with "WAAAAAH I'M GARDEFAG) like I was two weeks ago. If any of you have valuable content on here, I'd suggest removing it, seeing as the staff seems to be quite ignorant and/or treating us like children. "Wannabe lawyer"? I swear to god, the power complex of some of you mods is astounding. Anyways guys, thanks for keeping the thread alive for this long. I can't really think of any other way to tackle this though, I'm afraid: The staff just doesn't care anymore. Keep the flame going strong. I'll check in some time like before and see if any of the bullshit has been swept away.

Clearly there is some drama here, despite your statement to the contrary. 'No drama' would be quietly deleting the thread... since it's yours, you're entitled. Premature evacuation, and even more dramatic, announcing it, is a clear sign you wish to continue... and it has been a good discussion topic...

See you when you come back... ♥

Написано clovis1122, 19.03.2015 at 17:53

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Greek knowledge had spoken.

Greek knowledge here represents the essence of Greek life, and how much a success things like Greek Economy are. Good job khal!

Написано Cthulhu, 19.03.2015 at 07:45

I didn't realize so many lawyers play atwar

Maybe if you werent busy having your dick sucked by players and treating them with gifts you would see more of the community? Just a thought.

Написано Quantum027, 20.03.2015 at 00:32

Написано clovis1122, 19.03.2015 at 17:53

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Greek knowledge had spoken.

Greek knowledge here represents the essence of Greek life, and how much a success things like Greek Economy are. Good job khal!

lol.you are not the smartest one in your class arent you?

Having seen your face, i can admit you have a cute face, so please just sit there looking pretty and dont interupt the grownups when they talk, cause every time you open your mouth, you provide evidence that evolution can go in reverse

p.s. we never put a coma before "and"

I am late. but I genuinely don't understand, nobody is forced to make maps and nobody makes money (players) from maps, so in reality this has always been so no? Taking down maps because of this just comes across as spite, I mean really what is lost?

Ask yourself what you are making the map for? If the answer is anything other than A) for oneself to enjoy and play or B) for others to enjoy and play *(regardless or who owns the shit) then as far as I am concerned you make them for the wrong reasons.

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Написано Guest, 19.03.2015 at 14:53

Alright guys, I myself am pulling out of both this discussion and the game If any of you have valuable content on here, I'd suggest removing it, seeing as the staff seems to be quite ignorant and/or treating us like children.

Thanks for trying to ruin the game for the rest of us that still enjoy it, just because you dont want to play it anymore.

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Gardevoir, I'll try saying the same as Khal but in a more polite way so you don't get offended or even try to report anyone...

"We don't really care about your opinion about the game, we have our own one and we like the game, please stop flaming or trying to discourage people from playing it."

Написано Quantum027, 20.03.2015 at 00:32

Greek knowledge here represents the essence of Greek life, and how much a success things like Greek Economy are. Good job khal!

Maybe if you werent busy having your dick sucked by players and treating them with gifts you would see more of the community? Just a thought.

Nice coherence, nice politeness, nice friendship, nice manners, nice accusation, nice advice, nice knowledge, nice vocabulary, everything nice! Oh wait, everything nice except your heart and brain.

Написано Khal.eesi, 20.03.2015 at 04:58

Написано Quantum027, 20.03.2015 at 00:32

Написано clovis1122, 19.03.2015 at 17:53

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Greek knowledge had spoken.

Greek knowledge here represents the essence of Greek life, and how much a success things like Greek Economy are. Good job khal!

lol.you are not the smartest one in your class arent you?

Having seen your face, i can admit you have a cute face, so please just sit there looking pretty and dont interupt the grownups when they talk, cause every time you open your mouth, you provide evidence that evolution can go in reverse

p.s. we never put a coma before "and"

Actually a comma does go before and when it is used to join two independent clauses with a comma + conjunction. I wouldn't expect uneducated greeks to understand how English works.

Написано RaulPB, 20.03.2015 at 11:13

Написано Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 15:04

Написано Guest, 19.03.2015 at 14:53

Alright guys, I myself am pulling out of both this discussion and the game If any of you have valuable content on here, I'd suggest removing it, seeing as the staff seems to be quite ignorant and/or treating us like children.

Thanks for trying to ruin the game for the rest of us that still enjoy it, just because you dont want to play it anymore.

Take your suggestions and go fuck yourself with them, stupid faggot.

Gardevoir, I'll try saying the same as Khal but in a more polite way so you don't get offended or even try to report anyone...

"We don't really care about your opinion about the game, we have our own one and we like the game, please stop flaming or trying to discourage people from playing it."

If you really do not care than why are you fueling the flame war by posting so much on this thread, if you really did not care you would let it die and just forget that there are people who complain about the game, but instead you choose to get involved every time this issue rises because you do care about what happens in this game and whether you like it or not, map makers and their maps are apart of atwar, no matter how much competitive players bitch about them.

Написано Quantum027, 21.03.2015 at 02:17

and just forget that there are people who complain about the game,

You like complaining about games you do not play? ok

Написано Quantum027, 21.03.2015 at 02:15

Actually a comma does go before and when it is used to join two independent clauses with a comma + conjunction. I wouldn't expect uneducated greeks to understand how English works.

You are right actually, i looked it up.I was confused because we have this rule in the Greek language, you know the mother of all European languages that was developed in 2.500 BC and has 5 million words.Apparently English doesnt follow this rule.

Anyway its interesting how an American kid who still goes to school, is calling a European who finished it years ago, uneducated.Thats rich, lol. Such ignorant stereotype, "uneducated Greeks," i loled so hard.So lets see if you are right.

According to the U.S. Department of Education, aprox. 14% of the adult population in the United States are illeterate!Thats 32 million!!Christ! http://www.statisticbrain.com/number-of-american-adults-who-cant-read/
Lucky for you stupid, retarded and people whos brain cells are dead from macdonalds, drugs and incest are not included in the rates!


In Greece the illeteracy rate for adults is 2,9%. Some say its more about 4% but even if thats true, its well above world average and a lot higher than the United States one, which is well below average!

So please stop showing us how much of a primary candidate for natural deselection you are and keep it closed.

Написано RaulPB, 19.03.2015 at 10:45

Написано theFuehrer, 18.03.2015 at 22:45

You are quick to respond.. but you don't realize that you are the one with the problem. Originally, you claimed problems don't get solved by making them public. Then you go on and say, 'let the ones responsible for this tell their opinion about all this stuff.' So my problem with you is, why are you making a problem with me in public, if I was originally in the wrong, why don't you try talking to me in Private? And why are you here giving your opinion if you believe the responsible ones should be the only ones giving their opinion? Why aren't you taking your own advice, instead of trying to make yourself seem right?

You aren't trying to help in any way, but I do believe you are trying to make me look like an asshole and degenerate my public image. If you were truly trying to help, like you claim, you would have sent me a private message from the start. Instead you're pointing out my mistakes and telling me what you think I should do. It's like telling your son, while holding a beer in your hand, 'Hey son, don't drink alcohol, it's bad!' At the end, it makes you look like a hypocrite for telling me I shouldn't be pointing out their problems, yet you are pointing out mine. Is that very hard for your little arrogant brain to understand?

Also, you still did not answer my question. Who are you to state anything about my behavior?
The reality is, you are nobody, just like we are nobody to state anything about the admin's behavior, although they kind of had it coming. When someone is doing something that I believe is wrong, I will speak out. I am sure you are the type to stay shut if the Government is doing something wrong. That's what you have shown me here, which is utterly sad.

Watch my words, or what? You are the one who quoted me first.. Expect this type of behavior when you start to talk down on someone, jackass!

You really are impressive.... in a negative way.
I repeat myself: I don't have any problem. If you have a problem then it's not my problem.
I didn't try talking you in private cause you talked in public, denigrating with that the admins without having talked with them before of posting everything here. I gave you my opinion about what you said and adviced you to take it to a private talk with them...
I am giving my opinion cause I feel that you needed someone to tell you what was the only possible solution to all this headache: talking with the admins.
I am not trying to be right or wrong, I'm giving you a simple advice. If you don't want to take it, I will think that you don't really want to solve things with the admins about this matter and all you wanna do is complain in vain. If you accept my advice, then I will thank you for being an understanding person, unless you have a good reason for not following my advice of course.

I'm trying to help but all you seem to see is some sort of criticism or offense towards yourself and as a respone, you behave overagressive, as if you were trying to defend yourself from an unexisting threat. This wasn't my intention but... what can I do when you see things that aren't real?
Why would I have to send a private when you're stating your opinion right here, in public? Is there something you don't understand in my decission? You have a problem, problems are solved in private (just becuase it is more effective), I don't have any problem, I wish to advice you about what IN MY OPINION is the better solution and so I reply to your messages which are in public. End of story.
If you think I'm arrogant, what do you think you're behaving like? Just take a deep breath and stop with the bitching only because I gave you an advice. My question would be: Why are you blind?? Can't you see what I'm trying? If you don't then there's no point in continuing with this.

I am the same as you, a participant in this forum. If you can participate and give your opinion, so can I. In the moment you decided to post something here you should have known that anyone who reads it has the power and the capability to agree or disagree with what you say and comment about it. But, unlike you, I'm not questioning what admins have done, I'm giving an opinion to someone just like me. If I had a problem with admins I would have told them in private first. If they wouldn't listen to me then I would think of making it public.
Government has nothing to do with a game, that's a poor comparison. What you've proven me is that you can't argue with a minimum of politeness or smartness without getting mad for any stupid reason.

Talk down on someone? If that's what you think I'm doing then go clean your glasses and read again, I'm talking to you as an equal. Dumbass...

Raul, I will keep this short and simple for you. I am tired of arguing with you, I thought I made my points very clear, but you seem to be ignoring them and looking at this some other way.

Again, take your own advice. Everything you are advising me to do, you are doing it yourself. Which makes you look really stupid if you ask me, mainly the reason why I don't take your advice to heart. You say 'I am the same as you, a participant in this forum. If you can participate and give your opinion, so can I. In the moment you decided to post something here you should have known that anyone who reads it has the power and the capability to agree or disagree with what you say and comment about it. But, unlike you, I'm not questioning what admins have done, I'm giving an opinion to someone just like me. If I had a problem with admins I would have told them in private first. If they wouldn't listen to me then I would think of making it public.'

Yes, I am the same as you, a participant.. you are correct. If I can participate, so can you. If someone can comment, so can I. You are not questioning what admins have done, but you are questioning what I have done. What's the difference? Are the admin's gods, or are they like you and I? If you think they are Gods and shouldn't be questioned, you are wrong... which world do you live in?.. they are people like you and I. Because a king is a king, does that mean he can't be questioned in public if he has done something that affects others? Is that what you believe? If you do, wake up and open your eyes or else one day you will wake up in a world of hell one day. You say you don't have a problem with me, but in reality you do, which is why you are 'advising' me to do something your way, because you have a problem with my way. In other words, you are trying to make me look like an asshole in public. If you wouldn't of had a problem, you would have kept your mouth shut. Why can't you understand that?

You continue to assume I haven't talked to them in private, which puts you in the wrong to begin with. I think I made it very clear that I am not interested in taking your advice from the start. Next time I will tell you 'Go and fuck yourself with your advice.' You are the one who needs to clean your glasses and read again. You have made me think you just here to argue and prove to everyone you are always in the right.

Again, take your own advice. Because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that person isn't an understandable person, like you claim. Just who do you think you are?? There really is no point in continuing this problem you have started with me.

What I can advice you, before you start assuming stuff, make sure you're assumptions are right.. in other words, you should have talked to me in private so you could have found out if I talked to them in private or not, or you could have done what Brian did and asked me here. Do you see why I don't have a problem with Brian? He approached me in a different manner, unlike you. But since you didn't, I see you don't care and that you are just here to point out others mistakes to make them look like assholes... you arrogant jackass.

Please don't bother replying. If you do as I say, you will show me you really aren't here to argue for stupid reasons and it will teach you that sometimes it is best to keep quite.

Have a good day, Raúl.

Repetitive use of the words asshole and jackass!!

These guys are having a full blown flame war!!Mods lock this thread!!