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Написано zombieyeti, 30.03.2014 at 13:58

- I have been called racist things for standing up against racial intolerance. These people have accused me, variously, of being Black or Asian, or Turkish, of course, not in these polite words. Once, in AW I was accused of being Black and Turkish, simultaneously. I didn't deny or claim I was Black, or Turkish, or Asian at those times.

- I have been called homosexual for standing up to homophobes against this intolerance. Those people have accused me of being homosexual. I didn't deny or claim I was homosexual.

- I have been called a woman for standing up to woman-bashing. I didn't deny or claim I was a woman.

- Now, for standing up against religious intolerance, I have been called "Christian". I neither claim or deny being religious at all.

And you might have been right, but to defend a vile, damaging, intolerant religion against intolerance, you have to be a complete idiot.
Apart from the noble cause of standing up against racism, it seems to me that you stand up for a bunch of bullshit. Yep, you are a bullshit defender. Just what we needed, it's not like there are millions of drones just like you.

The insecurity that "hell might just exist" is like a splinter in your mind. It will go with you wherever you go, and torture you untill you start thinking. That's the price you have to pay for your ignorance.

Написано Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:29

And I also do not need to have proof to show how flawed your logic is.

The mistake you are making is assuming that religion is automatically true, that it is the default thing. And that I have to prove you wrong by demonstrating whatever.

No. YOU must bring the proof first. You are asserting that, I simply dismiss it as irrational bullshit (which it actually is).

So when are you gonna bring proof that god is real? I'm waiting. Bring it and I'll believe.

*toe=theory of everything




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Написано Cpt.Magic, 17.03.2014 at 21:15

I wonder y unleash and khal hate religion so much Im not a religious my self but i respect people religion as it is a sign of hope for them!

Your choice.

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 05:53

Написано Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:29

And I also do not need to have proof to show how flawed your logic is.

The mistake you are making is assuming that religion is automatically true, that it is the default thing. And that I have to prove you wrong by demonstrating whatever.

No. YOU must bring the proof first. You are asserting that, I simply dismiss it as irrational bullshit (which it actually is).

So when are you gonna bring proof that god is real? I'm waiting. Bring it and I'll believe.

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Написано Khal.eesi, 31.03.2014 at 05:49

Dark ages happened since people stopped writing history. Let me tell you something, most of the people who could wite back then were Christian.

Also Khal, you're dumb to think that all scientists are athiest. Many scientists are Christian, Jewish or whatever.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

Написано Goblin, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:32

Dark ages happened since people stopped writing history. Let me tell you something, most of the people who could wite back then were Christian.

Correct, and christian monasteris and churches kept and holded the knowledge

They also taught other people.

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

And who created god? If god created us at his image then he is a follower too, because humans wheren't born with free choice. In fact, i think god needs oxygen too.

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 10:54

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

And who created god? If god created us at his image then he is a follower too, because humans wheren't born with free choice. In fact, i think god needs oxygen too.

No one created God, since he's a God.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:55

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 10:54

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

And who created god? If god created us at his image then he is a follower too, because humans wheren't born with free choice. In fact, i think god needs oxygen too.

No one created God, since he's a God.

So you are saying that big bang (all matter in the universe expanding) can't happen because there was "nothing" in the universe before this event, but u belive that a "god" existed prior to the existance of matter and he proceed to create matter itself? Lol u are crazy.

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 11:02

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:55

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 10:54

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

And who created god? If god created us at his image then he is a follower too, because humans wheren't born with free choice. In fact, i think god needs oxygen too.

No one created God, since he's a God.

So you are saying that big bang (all matter in the universe expanding) can't happen because there was "nothing" in the universe before this event, but u belive that a "god" existed prior to the existance of matter and he proceed to create matter itself? Lol u are crazy.

That's how Gods work, they don't get created. They are the creators themselves.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 11:12

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 11:02

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:55

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 10:54

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

And who created god? If god created us at his image then he is a follower too, because humans wheren't born with free choice. In fact, i think god needs oxygen too.

No one created God, since he's a God.

So you are saying that big bang (all matter in the universe expanding) can't happen because there was "nothing" in the universe before this event, but u belive that a "god" existed prior to the existance of matter and he proceed to create matter itself? Lol u are crazy.

That's how Gods work, they don't get created. They are the creators themselves.

says who?

Написано Khal.eesi, 31.03.2014 at 11:13

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 11:12

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 11:02

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:55

Написано Cpt.Magic, 31.03.2014 at 10:54

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 09:48

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 08:31

Your mistake is ignoring the proof I gave you. Do I have to repeat it?

Yes. Show us proof that god is real.

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

And who created god? If god created us at his image then he is a follower too, because humans wheren't born with free choice. In fact, i think god needs oxygen too.

No one created God, since he's a God.

So you are saying that big bang (all matter in the universe expanding) can't happen because there was "nothing" in the universe before this event, but u belive that a "god" existed prior to the existance of matter and he proceed to create matter itself? Lol u are crazy.

That's how Gods work, they don't get created. They are the creators themselves.

says who?

You if you think for once.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then?

Like I said, I'm not arrogant enough to say that I know for sure. One way to look at it is that the infinite has no beginning, nor an end.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

What do I think? I think you are crazy.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

One of my proof was logic.

So how does that make religion true? What you just said right there, you call that logic and proof? Well here's my response to that:

Написано Goblin, 31.03.2014 at 11:31

Написано Skanderbeg, 31.03.2014 at 11:05

Point here is - you cant prove im wrong when i say God does exist.

Not sure if i posted or deleted one of my posts ...but some scientists have proven with mathematics and logic that there is or has to be a God.

You are almost right.But the existance of a "god" has nothing to do with religion.I never doubted there could be a god,i just stated that i dont know if there is one,who he is and what he is doing.All i know for a fact is religions are a lie and they do more harm than good,to humanity.

But you are right,scientists have come to the conclusion that there are high possibilities, there is actually a "god".The big bang have some "holes" in it and the parameters of our universe creation points to statistically high chance of someone or something having to do with our creation.Everything is too perfectly interwined and aligned,in order for human kind to survive and prosper,to be that random.But they havent proved it,its just a theory with sub-theories coming from carefull scientifical research and not religious bullshit.The strongest subtheory is simulation theory,i think u posted that sometime.I ve been following on that subject and its quite fascinating.A german nuclear physisist who does nuclear simulations for a living posted a paper saying with the rate technology is going,we,humans,are going to be able to create our own virtual reality universe,as big and complex as the one we live in,in even as short time as 100 years from now.

That alone,statistically, makes simulation theory on the highest order.Because if humans can be "gods" of a virtual universe in such sort time,probabilities state that we could be very easily someone elses virtual universe.Or someone elses virtual universe inside someone elses virtual universe who is inside someone elses virtual universe and so on..i could explain further but i doubt simple minded persons like some of those who posted here will be interested.The fact alone that "we could be our own gods" would probabely sound like blasphemy to them

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 05:41

Написано zombieyeti, 30.03.2014 at 13:58

- I have been called racist things for standing up against racial intolerance. These people have accused me, variously, of being Black or Asian, or Turkish, of course, not in these polite words. Once, in AW I was accused of being Black and Turkish, simultaneously. I didn't deny or claim I was Black, or Turkish, or Asian at those times.

- I have been called homosexual for standing up to homophobes against this intolerance. Those people have accused me of being homosexual. I didn't deny or claim I was homosexual.

- I have been called a woman for standing up to woman-bashing. I didn't deny or claim I was a woman.

- Now, for standing up against religious intolerance, I have been called "Christian". I neither claim or deny being religious at all.

And you might have been right, but to defend a vile, damaging, intolerant religion against intolerance, you have to be a complete idiot.
Apart from the noble cause of standing up against racism, it seems to me that you stand up for a bunch of bullshit. Yep, you are a bullshit defender. Just what we needed, it's not like there are millions of drones just like you.

The insecurity that "hell might just exist" is like a splinter in your mind. It will go with you wherever you go, and torture you untill you start thinking. That's the price you have to pay for your ignorance.

I didn't 'defend' a particular religion, I argued against religious intolerance.
Objectively, there is no difference between your stance, and the stance of a religious fundamentalist, as has been noted often. You're immune to reason, assured of your righteousness, and intolerant of anything but slavish devotion.

Now, did you do your homework, and see what Dawkins actually says about the existence of god/gods?

Написано Skanderbeg, 31.03.2014 at 11:05

God existance cannot be explained with logic, because human invented logic, God created human.

Science cant prove God doesnt exist. Science is trying but failing last 200 years. This time they will simply use lies and end with it. If anyone oppose their opinion they will call him lunatic or retard.

Point here is - you cant prove im wrong when i say God does exist.

Tito speaks the truth.
However, if I were to make the same claim about Ded Moroz, you also could not prove he does not exist, either.
Can one conclude, merely due to an absence of proof of DM's existence, that DM must therefore exist? :-)

Написано Skanderbeg, 31.03.2014 at 11:05

Point here is - you cant prove im wrong when i say God does exist.

You must prove it, not the other way around, you fucking retard. The god potrayed in religion cannot exist. If he does, he is either impotent or evil or both.

Написано Goblin, 31.03.2014 at 11:31

Not sure if i posted or deleted one of my posts ...but some scientists have proven with mathematics and logic that there is or has to be a God.

There is a higher power. It's not a person, no need to call it god. It creates confusion.

Написано Unleashed, 31.03.2014 at 11:44

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then?

Like I said, I'm not arrogant enough to say that I know for sure. One way to look at it is that the infinite has no beginning, nor an end.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God. What do you think?

What do I think? I think you are crazy.

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

One of my proof was logic.

So how does that make religion true? What you just said right there, you call that logic and proof? Well here's my response to that:

Why not prove me wrong instead of making yourself look like an idiot?

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 12:25

Why not prove me wrong instead of making yourself look like an idiot?

The only one looking like an idiot is you, when you state stuff like

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 10:27

One of my proof was logic. Now, most people think that the big bang created the universe. I my self, don't dispute it. But think, before there was nothing. How could there be a explosion then? There you have it. I think it was God.

So again, asshole: How does that make religion true?

Написано Goblin, 31.03.2014 at 11:31

Написано Skanderbeg, 31.03.2014 at 11:05

Point here is - you cant prove im wrong when i say God does exist.

Not sure if i posted or deleted one of my posts ...but some scientists have proven with mathematics and logic that there is or has to be a God.

Actually might have said it wrong ...that there was or had to be a creator or the architect.

The best 'modern' logical argument for the existence of an omniscent, omnipotent, omnibenevlolent, omnipresent god ('Abraham's God') is the Watchmaker Analogy - a rework of the teleological argument for the existence of God. In its various forms there are very strong counterarguments. 'Irreducible complexity' is the argument.

My second guess as to what you mean is Godel's conjecture, in modal logic, suggesting a higher-order intelligence than humans. Godel was the balls at logic and math - but the argument for a higher-order intelligence is essentially a rework of the ontological existence of God, and that argument is easily counter-argued via example. 'Imagine a perfect being' is the argument.

Other guesses:
- If you are talking about the Higgs Boson (the God particle) that's something else, and there was no spirituality associated with that.
- If you are talking about the singularity that 'caused' the universe to go from a single point to the Big Bang, as far as I know, most cosmologists and physicists don't 'go there' because all current models collapse, because there is no 'thing' before that.

Написано Khal.eesi, 31.03.2014 at 12:00

Написано Goblin, 31.03.2014 at 11:31

Написано Skanderbeg, 31.03.2014 at 11:05

Point here is - you cant prove im wrong when i say God does exist.

Not sure if i posted or deleted one of my posts ...but some scientists have proven with mathematics and logic that there is or has to be a God.

You are almost right.But the existance of a "god" has nothing to do with religion.I never doubted there could be a god,i just stated that i dont know if there is one,who he is and what he is doing.All i know for a fact is religions are a lie and they do more harm than good,to humanity.

But you are right,scientists have come to the conclusion that there are high possibilities, there is actually a "god".The big bang have some "holes" in it and the parameters of our universe creation points to statistically high chance of someone or something having to do with our creation.Everything is too perfectly interwined and aligned,in order for human kind to survive and prosper,to be that random.But they havent proved it,its just a theory with sub-theories coming from carefull scientifical research and not religious bullshit.The strongest subtheory is simulation theory,i think u posted that sometime.I ve been following on that subject and its quite fascinating.A german nuclear physisist who does nuclear simulations for a living posted a paper saying with the rate technology is going,we,humans,are going to be able to create our own virtual reality universe,as big and complex as the one we live in,in even as short time as 100 years from now.

That alone,statistically, makes simulation theory on the highest order.Because if humans can be "gods" of a virtual universe in such sort time,probabilities state that we could be very easily someone elses virtual universe.Or someone elses virtual universe inside someone elses virtual universe who is inside someone elses virtual universe and so on..i could explain further but i doubt simple minded persons like some of those who posted here will be interested.The fact alone that "we could be our own gods" would probabely sound like blasphemy to them

None of these arguments are my original works, except the last. When I post wiki links, I'm not sure of the content, I'm just posting links that 'should' lead to the argument, because the arguments are from 50-2000 years old. I'm not attempting to 'argue' (except the last) - I'm pointing to the arguments of others, where I am familiar with them.

Argument against us being in a virtual world:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon. Descartes obviously hadn't heard of virtual universes at the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment, but his arguments against our reason being deceived apply.
- Burden of Proof: Not an argument against the VR, but the contention that one making a controversial claim must also justify it.

Argument about God creating the universe (refutation of the watchmaker analogy I posted for Goblin):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy
- (for) The universe is massively complex, and the laws of physics, as we understand them, are so intertwined that the vast number of probabilities that must perfectly align for the conditions to even permit matter, much less human life, are so small, *there must therefore be* intelligent design of the universe.
- (against) Agreed; The odds are very small. This does not prove there is a God. Here are two possibilities, not requiring God, and therefore rendering the 'Watchmaker analogy' moot:
1) Physicists believe the universe was 'born', and believe it will 'die'. Generally, the cannot concern themselves with what came before the Big Bang and what comes after total entropy/head death/re-Big-Bang. The universe may have done this many times, until the conditions happened to permit matter, and ultimately, human life. This might be the trillionth in a series of one universe. This argument doesn't prove there IS NO GOD, but is an example of why God isn't necessary.

2) Cosmologists and physicists formulate either an infinite number of universes, or a finite-but-uncountable quantity of them. Most would not be inhabited by human life. So, the nature of our universe is quite uncommon, improbable, but ultimately certain, considering the vast number of universes. This argument doesn't prove there IS NO GOD, but is an example of why God isn't necessary.

Argument against humanity 'becoming as gods' (reaching the technical singularity) 'Atlantis analogy'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo
- Our emotional maturity is not in step with our technological advancement (e.g. nuclear weapons). We are likely to wipe ourselves out before we cross into godhood.
- If Unleashed had a nanoweapon programmed to kill all religious people, he would use it, and, knowing this, religious people would have to wipe him out, and all athiests, first.
- The step just before godhood is 'almost godhood' - and intolerance will stop us from crossing the threshold. Once enough human beings die, there won't be enough remaining to maintain the current civilization, much less advance us forward.

Argument against 'virtual godhead'
Someday soon, there will be technological advancements which will permit human consciousness to be uploaded.
- We will wipe ourselves out first (see above)
- If we do not wipe ourselves out first, then there must be someone to maintain the equipment to permit virtual godhood.
- - If the equipment can be turned off, we will die, and not be gods. The 'unuploaded' will turn us off.
- If a perfect combination of maintenance and security is arranged, we will still be vulnerable to asteroid strikes, volcanoes and 'extinction level events'.
- If we diversify the 'storage' so we cannot be taken out by many events, we will still suffer the same fate as the universe: Heat Death
- Godlike powers in a virtual universe do not mean godlike wisdom: We will still be vulnerable to war, jealousy and envy
- - An uploaded Unleashed would wipe out all gods that didn't agree with him.
- - Knowing this, uploaded Anti-Unleasheds would try to wipe him out.

Написано Goblin, 31.03.2014 at 06:30

Написано Khal.eesi, 31.03.2014 at 05:49

Umm yeah ...dark ages happened because of the fall of the roman empire and barbarians populating europe, not because of christianity.

BTW. OMG Unleashed keeps deleting his posts to remain on 666 posts ...show us the path BEAST!!!

I am not totally familiar with the argument I'm posting, but I'll take a stab at it (heard it once) ...
1) Assume Christianity was responsible for the Dark ages.
2) The Dark Ages happened *in the former Roman Empire*
3) The rest of humanity, in that period of time, was able to come up with (most notably): base-10 mathematics ('arabic' numerals), navigation, and complex civil society based on cooperation, instead of conflict. ('Arabia', China and India).
ALL of these societies had 'state' religions.
4) Human technological advancement still continued without Europe and these non-European societies were religious (Islamic, Hindu and Confucian).
5) When the Dark Ages 'ended', Christianity was still as dominant a paradigm in Europe.

Therefore:
- 'Technological advancement' happens only if it is European Technological Advancement (Eurocentricisim).
- Christianity didn't cause the Dark Ages, and if it did, it also 'caused' the Enlightenment, as Christianity was the dominant power before, during and after the Dark Ages.

I'd say: there is no proof that god exist, but there is no proof that he doesn't either.

the big bang is nothing but the universe stopping from inflating. it already existed before the big bang

Написано Guest, 31.03.2014 at 12:25

Why not prove me wrong instead of making yourself look like an idiot?

So when you have nothing else to say you go ah? I thought you didn't like it, oh, you morally superior christian. Once again you get crushed. You never learn lol

Написано Tirpitz406, 31.03.2014 at 14:03

the big bang is nothing but the universe stopping from inflating. it already existed before the big bang

Yep. The infinite/eternal has no end, nor beginning.

Написано Skanderbeg, 31.03.2014 at 11:05

Point here is - you cant prove im wrong when i say God does exist.