Explaining my position on Russia

I wanted to sit down and explain why I am not condemning Russia for its intervention in Ukraine. In my previous post, I was on my phone, and it's not the easiest to communicate in anything other than slogans and platitudes from a phone.

Anytime World Elites are so unified in condemning a person or a country, one should be compelled to ask what's really going on. What's the real agenda? How is it that the same people who have no problem undermining the Liberties of their own subjects, as well as launching Wars of aggression based upon lies, can condemn Putin with a straight face? Let's not forget these same world elites condemning Russia over Ukraine are busily trying to exterminate a good portion of the world's population through the "Great Reset", aka, "Build Back Better" (as it's called in the U.S.). Make no mistake about it. The West is being led to communism, while Russia actually seems to have abandoned communism. The "Great Reset" can't succeed without conquering the world, because people and capital will flee the "Great Reset" countries, migrating to the free countries like Russia. This might explain why the world elites want to demonize and isolate Russia, cutting off people and capital from the last remaining free areas, while trying to topple and subjugate Russia.

I'm not saying Putin is a saint, but I do believe it's highly inappropriate for the West to insert itself into the middle of this conflict. The proper response by the West should be taking a neutral position and staying the blazes out. The goal should be to de-escalate, not escalate. Anything more risks morphing what should be a regional conflict into a world war. As of right now, we are headed towards a nuclear world war which will be good for nobody but a select group of world elites. The world elites condemning Putin don't care about the average Westerner, much less the average Ukrainian. The selective outrage makes sense ONLY from the perspective of world elites actually WANTING a world war. Cui bono? Who benefits from war?

If one does cursory research of the facts, that person would discover that the West has been using Ukraine to wage proxy wars against Russians in the eastern part of Ukraine. A few days ago, Putin even explained that the primary reason he was intervening in Ukraine is because of a policy document that was released in Ukraine last year which objectively called for carrying out a terror campaign against Russian interests, and then using that as a pretext to draw the West into a wider War. Ukraine is not some pure democracy. It was Western intelligence agencies and elites who installed the current puppet regime by toppling democratically supported and elected leaders in Ukraine.

This means that Putin was trying to preempt Ukrainian aggression before Ukraine obtains nuclear weapons. Explain to me how it is the West has a vital interest in Ukraine but Russia doesn't. Ukraine is on Russia's doorstep, not the UK's doorstep.

The way I see it, it's one of two possibilities: 1 Putin is defying the world order, in which case he is on the right side. 2 Putin is a secret agent of the West, and is collaborating with the West to stage a scripted World War. By staging War I don't mean that there won't be real casualties, but that this is a scripted and planned event, and Putin is with the same world elites who are supposedly against him, helping to steer the world into a major conflict as the means to exterminate large numbers of people. It's called population control. If it is number 2, then, yes, Putin is evil, but the Western powers he is working with behind the scenes are just as evil.

Throughout history, there have been examples where the ruling caste in different countries warred each other as a means to exterminate their own populations. While the common people in all countries perish and pay for war, the ruling caste survives and even solidifies power. War is the health of the state. War is a very useful tool for the ruling caste to entrench itself. A war between the West and Russia would guarantee China becomes the dominant superpower.

Look at the West's efforts to impose all sorts of sanctions on Russia. Did sanctions topple Saddam Hussein? Did sanctions topple Fidel Castro? No. But they did impoverish the common people in those countries, helping those regimes consolidate power. Sanctions will hurt not just the common people in Russia, but the common people in the West who depend on trade and commerce with Russia for their sustenance. In the end, Putin will end up even more entrenched. Sanctions will undermine the common people, making it much harder for them to rise up, while empowering the Putin regime. This is a reason I'm compelled to think of number 2 as a very real possibility. Western leaders can't be this stupid. Or are they?

Furthermore, as you watch the news, bear in mind that the West has been lied into war before, and in very recent history. So, if we're being lied to about what's happening in Ukraine, this wouldn't be the first time that the West has been lied into war. I noticed the news reports about alleged Russian saboteurs attacking pipelines in Ukraine. As I saw those news reports, I couldn't help but think about how that MO matches NATO activity more than Russian activity. Just do this: research the Red Brigades and Operation Gladio. The Red Brigades were NATO operatives who conducted false flag terror campaigns in European countries. Also, it's Western powers that are shutting down pipelines and curtailing access to energy.

In my estimation, the ONLY way to avert a wider war is a QUICK AND DECISIVE victory by Russia. Efforts to negotiate can actually steal defeat from the jaws of victory. Russia needs to use maximum force to bring in regime change in Ukraine ASAP.

Next it will be Moldova.

So, go fuck yourself.

In general, I agree the World Elites want to keep us (the masses) down and under control. I agree they are pushing us towards communism, and you're right about the Great Reset / Build Back Better. In some ways I admire Russia as one of the few places that seems to be standing up for traditional western values. When the West condemns Russia I am a little skeptical too, at first.

However as to Putin, there's a 3rd possibility: that he simply wants power and territory for his own aggrandizement. He may not care at all about any of the other reasons you mentioned. Judge him by his actions, not his words.

Ukraine is clearly the victim here. What have they done to deserve being invaded? They haven't launched rockets into Russia, they haven't sent suicide bombers, they haven't shot down passenger jets. All they've done is want to join NATO, and they haven't even been able to do that. How does that justify the Russians to kill innocent Ukrainians?

Putin himself said that the invasion will go easily, because no one will attack Russia because the west hates war and afraid to lose life quality.

How in the same time he says he invades Ukraine because he's afraid of invasion?

Написано Rock Lee, 28.02.2022 at 00:12

Putin himself said that the invasion will go easily, because no one will attack Russia because the west hates war and afraid to lose life quality.

How in the same time he says he invades Ukraine because he's afraid of invasion?

maybe because natos main gunner isnt western europe but USA, who we all can just google and see how anti war theiy are xD

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Написано avatar, 28.02.2022 at 12:47

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Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 10:50

maybe because natos main gunner isnt western europe but USA, who we all can just google and see how anti war theiy are xD

Do you really believe in a scenario of US soldiers invading Russia? I think 99% of the humans know it will not happen, especially Russia knows that.

In fact this war in Ukraine was a perfect excuse for western warmonger to take down the Belarusian dictatorship, But at this part in history everybody knows that everything is better without wars.

Написано Rock Lee, 28.02.2022 at 14:14

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 10:50

maybe because natos main gunner isnt western europe but USA, who we all can just google and see how anti war theiy are xD

Do you really believe in a scenario of US soldiers invading Russia? I think 99% of the humans know it will not happen, especially Russia knows that.

In fact this war in Ukraine was a perfect excuse for western warmonger to take down the Belarusian dictatorship, But at this part in history everybody knows that everything is better without wars.

Theirs been plans made since the cold war from both sides, so its far from a impossible scenario, just takes one retard in charge to give the go after all no matter what the populace believes or wants and even then it just takes goverment flooding the news with propaganda content to get their aproval most of the time like when iraq war happened ....


Also no the warmongering coutnries arent gona move on belarus when russia has nukes deployed their , they will just sell weapons and get their military industry more funds, in the end its all good buisness xD

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 14:19

Theirs been plans made since the cold war from both sides, so its far from a impossible scenario, just takes one retard in charge to give the go after all no matter what the populace believes or wants and even then it just takes goverment flooding the news with propaganda content to get their aproval most of the time like when iraq war happened ....


Also no the warmongering coutnries arent gona move on belarus when russia has nukes deployed their , they will just sell weapons and get their military industry more funds, in the end its all good buisness xD

Chile has plans to invade Argentina in case they would delcare war, but they are not really going to do it right?

In healthy, functioning country (depiste everything, Russia is still one) even very popular politicians and parties have people around them to advise them not to do dumb shit. This war does not serve Russian long-term interests in anyways, but Russian governors and officials got used to shut up. A little inappropiate example, at the day Hitler commited suicide, when half of Berlin was lost, he still thought that he is moving divisions and he will reconquer Europe.

In the white house, when Trump tried to organise a coup and become a dictator the US Chief of Staff said he'll protect the constitution against tyrrants if needed, no one will let any US President invade Russia just like that, because it is the dumbest most dangerous thing to do.

What created this war is not western threats, but Russia's culture of silence, of people knowing he is doing a big mistake and shutting up about it.

As for nucleear weapons. Like France will not go to war for Ukraine. Putin will not use nuclear weapons for Belarus.

Написано DeepFriedUnicorn, 28.02.2022 at 13:37

Написано avatar, 28.02.2022 at 12:47

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Good, gay rights are human rights.

best west values have fan

In east we have other values

Написано Rock Lee, 28.02.2022 at 14:37

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 14:19

Theirs been plans made since the cold war from both sides, so its far from a impossible scenario, just takes one retard in charge to give the go after all no matter what the populace believes or wants and even then it just takes goverment flooding the news with propaganda content to get their aproval most of the time like when iraq war happened ....


Also no the warmongering coutnries arent gona move on belarus when russia has nukes deployed their , they will just sell weapons and get their military industry more funds, in the end its all good buisness xD

Chile has plans to invade Argentina in case they would delcare war, but they are not really going to do it right?

In healthy, functioning country (depiste everything, Russia is still one) even very popular politicians and parties have people around them to advise them not to do dumb shit. This war does not serve Russian long-term interests in anyways, but Russian governors and officials got used to shut up. A little inappropiate example, at the day Hitler commited suicide, when half of Berlin was lost, he still thought that he is moving divisions and he will reconquer Europe.

In the white house, when Trump tried to organise a coup and become a dictator the US Chief of Staff said he'll protect the constitution against tyrrants if needed, no one will let any US President invade Russia just like that, because it is the dumbest most dangerous thing to do.

What created this war is not western threats, but Russia's culture of silence, of people knowing he is doing a big mistake and shutting up about it.

Well, Putin said it well, this is a special action, not a war He wants to destroy the fascists, he is looking for those who slaughtered the civilian population in Donbas for 8 years

#removenazis

Написано Rock Lee, 28.02.2022 at 14:37

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 14:19

Theirs been plans made since the cold war from both sides, so its far from a impossible scenario, just takes one retard in charge to give the go after all no matter what the populace believes or wants and even then it just takes goverment flooding the news with propaganda content to get their aproval most of the time like when iraq war happened ....


Also no the warmongering coutnries arent gona move on belarus when russia has nukes deployed their , they will just sell weapons and get their military industry more funds, in the end its all good buisness xD

Chile has plans to invade Argentina in case they would delcare war, but they are not really going to do it right?

In healthy, functioning country (depiste everything, Russia is still one) even very popular politicians and parties have people around them to advise them not to do dumb shit. This war does not serve Russian long-term interests in anyways, but Russian governors and officials got used to shut up. A little inappropiate example, at the day Hitler commited suicide, when half of Berlin was lost, he still thought that he is moving divisions and he will reconquer Europe.

In the white house, when Trump tried to organise a coup and become a dictator the US Chief of Staff said he'll protect the constitution against tyrrants if needed, no one will let any US President invade Russia just like that, because it is the dumbest most dangerous thing to do.

What created this war is not western threats, but Russia's culture of silence, of people knowing he is doing a big mistake and shutting up about it.

um argentina almost invaded us when the malvina shit happened thats why we sided with UK, so yes we have plans vs them obviously thats why we invest heavily in being a superior military force in south america, we have beef with peru bolivia argentina all our conecting neigbhors xd.

I dont get ur point about popular politician and parties their being to advise people of not doing dumb shit, Countries will always do what is in their best interrest, how many USA interventions have been made unilateral and led to further ruin and mass death in coutnies like libya iraq, afghan, vietnam? how many coups did they do in during the cold war?

Idc who created this war, all i know is western culture has painted russians as the evil villians ever since cold war be it in hollywood movies, series, and it was drilled heavily in south america with threat of death. USA has been the one geting into fucked up wars and allowing allies to commit fucked up ones like the saudis on yemen, yet to this day no sanctions or consecuence from the world powers xD.

I come from a country that had a DEMOCRATICLY ELECTED SOCIALIST PRESIDENT get deposed by a USA funded/organized coup that only ended in 1990s to keep the red curtain away from American continent, so no im not suprised russia would move into a country directly touching it if it thought it could risk its nations best interests.

Im not siding with russia, but lets all not be hypocrites, third world countries havent had any of this much atention or sanctions imposed by the international comunity vs their invaders even when its been declared ilegal war by the international comunity, the world needs to make rules that apply to everyone equaly or else of course superpowers will continue to act without fear if they see others do the same.

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 15:42

Your Chile preparing to war vs Argentina is a perfect example. Just because you prepare to scenario of war does not mean you intend to open war. right?

USA and Europe intervened in the third world and did fucked up stuff.. sometimes it was in order to protect democratic order in the world, and in some cases as Africa that I know about it was pure greed. Sorry but I have no clue about the history of South America and Chile so I really can not argue with you about it. However it does not mean they will open full scale war against Russia, which means giving upon the liberal-democratic order they fought for generations to protect.

Russia knows that they will never invade Russia. Putin lived in the 80s, he knows that the soviet union has collapsed at the peak of its influence across the world. thus he knows that it is not influence in Ukraine that will defend his country, future is in culture, science, technology and solidarity. But sending tanks against smaller nation is far easier if you want to look cocky and get attention. In the long term it's bad for Russia and good for Putin.

Regarding how hypocrite the support for Ukraine is - Westerners see the attack on Ukraine as attack on Europe. It's simple and it's different than 8 sides war in Yemen that no understands or wars between muslims that never end in Afeganistan. When Isis attacked Paris and Brussels many countries in Asia and Africa did nothing special to condemn it, either because they did not understand what is going on or did not see how their words would change anything. Expecting the whole world to make a statement every time something bad is happening is weird demand.

Написано Rock Lee, 28.02.2022 at 16:32

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 15:42

Your Chile preparing to war vs Argentina is a perfect example. Just because you prepare to scenario of war does not mean you intend to open war. right?

USA and Europe intervened in the third world and did fucked up stuff.. sometimes it was in order to protect democratic order in the world, and in some cases as Africa that I know about it was pure greed. Sorry but I have no clue about the history of South America and Chile so I really can not argue with you about it. However it does not mean they will open full scale war against Russia, which means giving upon the liberal-democratic order they fought for generations to protect.

Russia knows that they will never invade Russia. Putin lived in the 80s, he knows that the soviet union has collapsed at the peak of its influence across the world. thus he knows that it is not influence in Ukraine that will defend his country, future is in culture, science, technology and solidarity. But sending tanks against smaller nation is far easier if you want to look cocky and get attention. In the long term it's bad for Russia and good for Putin.

Regarding how hypocrite the support for Ukraine is - Westerners see the attack on Ukraine as attack on Europe. It's simple and it's different than 8 sides war in Yemen that no understands or wars between muslims that never end in Afeganistan. When Isis attacked Paris and Brussels many countries in Asia and Africa did nothing special to condemn it, either because they did not understand what is going on or did not see how their words would change anything. Expecting the whole world to make a statement every time something bad is happening is weird demand.

See you prove my point perfectly, everyones just focused on themselfs and only care when it might directly affect them, if not then no one does shit, most people are misinformed, ignorant of conflicts in the world, media might show a small 1 minute segment or type in the bottom of the news anchor and international comunity does 0.
The hypocrecy that europe is showing in ukraine is very insulting to third world countries that have and still do get intervention be it militarily or economicly by the worlds superpowers.

As for the reasons Russia gives for this war, obviosuly its the same bullshit USA uses constantly nothing new xD, putin fucked up in not saying ukraine has secret nukes!! xaxaxaxa

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 16:47

See you prove my point perfectly, everyones just focused on themselfs and only care when it might directly affect them, if not then no one does shit, most people are misinformed, ignorant of conflicts in the world, media might show a small 1 minute segment or type in the bottom of the news anchor and international comunity does 0.
The hypocrecy that europe is showing in ukraine is very insulting to third world countries that have and still do get intervention be it militarily or economicly by the worlds superpowers.

As for the reasons Russia gives for this war, obviosuly its the same bullshit USA uses constantly nothing new xD, putin fucked up in not saying ukraine has secret nukes!! xaxaxaxa

It's not completely true. Don't forget those were CNN journalists that revealed USA commits war crimes in Yemen and Afganistan. Most of charity comes from civilians in the West and USA was the first country in the world to restrict its firepower by law. But you can't expect every person in the world to study and commit himself to any cause.

Personally, I tried to learn what happens in Yemen in Afganistan. I read from right wing journalism, from left wing, from western sources and from Arab sources. and I still can't tell you who is right and who is wrong there. as Western citizen, how should I react? in an ideal world? this stance of "you don't care about everything" kinda applies to 99.9% citizens of the world, not only the west.

You know what is really sad? That when people do care and they go to place like Yemen and Algeria to help victims right wingers from Russia laugh at them and call them social justice warriors and naive progressives. Remember how they made fun of the volunteers that tried to help to refugees from Syria? The fact that we don't live in world of perfect solidarity is not the fault of the west, and it really not an excuse to start wars against Ukraine.

Написано avatar, 28.02.2022 at 15:38

Well, Putin said it well, this is a special action, not a war He wants to destroy the fascists, he is looking for those who slaughtered the civilian population in Donbas for 8 years

#removenazis

Oh, ok. I will tell my friends from ANTIFA to send him invite.

Написано Rock Lee, 28.02.2022 at 17:03

Написано sirivann, 28.02.2022 at 16:47

See you prove my point perfectly, everyones just focused on themselfs and only care when it might directly affect them, if not then no one does shit, most people are misinformed, ignorant of conflicts in the world, media might show a small 1 minute segment or type in the bottom of the news anchor and international comunity does 0.
The hypocrecy that europe is showing in ukraine is very insulting to third world countries that have and still do get intervention be it militarily or economicly by the worlds superpowers.

As for the reasons Russia gives for this war, obviosuly its the same bullshit USA uses constantly nothing new xD, putin fucked up in not saying ukraine has secret nukes!! xaxaxaxa

It's not completely true. Don't forget those were CNN journalists that revealed USA commits war crimes in Yemen and Afganistan. Most of charity comes from civilians in the West and USA was the first country in the world to restrict its firepower by law. But you can't expect every person in the world to study and commit himself to any cause.

Personally, I tried to learn what happens in Yemen in Afganistan. I read from right wing journalism, from left wing, from western sources and from Arab sources. and I still can't tell you who is right and who is wrong there. as Western citizen, how should I react? in an ideal world? this stance of "you don't care about everything" kinda applies to 99.9% citizens of the world, not only the west.

You know what is really sad? That when people do care and they go to place like Yemen and Algeria to help victims right wingers from Russia laugh at them and call them social justice warriors and naive progressives. Remember how they made fun of the volunteers that tried to help to refugees from Syria? The fact that we don't live in world of perfect solidarity is not the fault of the west, and it really not an excuse to start wars against Ukraine.

As you say, charity is a amazing thing society shows in times of need and help is usualy always offered and done by citizens, in chile everytime we get hit with one of em 8+ earthquakes or have some other disaster happen, the citizens are always the first to go offer supplies and helping hand and i like to believe it is the same in most countries. But you gotta agree its fucked up that people try help while their goverment could be the one actively puting the country in the situation it is or selling the bombs and weapons to the side doing the bombings or all sides involved xD.

Im not saying its a excuse to start a war, im just pointing out wars have been happening with the same or even worst excuses for the past 50 years and it has been normalized with 0 sanctions done vs the superpowers who are involved xD.

Im totaly against the entire war machine that makes a shitload of money from all these conflict zones (USA is probably the biggest one), i want sanctions done by the internacional comunity not to be so unilateral by the west so maybe these kinda wars can stop happening worldwide.